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Red tape, human rights and political correctness..
a disillusioned cop says why yobs are winning

News of the World takes the campaign to the nation

Comments

[Juliann Buttigieg]

I would give back the right for parents and teachers to punish children. The governments themselves are respomsible for this ridiculous situation. I hear comments like 'people should look after and control their children more.' Well how can they? We're not allowed to discipline our children any more, and if the government didn't realize that the outcome of passing such laws would result in this kind of behaviour, then how stupid is our government, and how stupid are we to tolerate this? Supposedly, the aim of not disciplining our children is to protect abused kids - so why do we still have so many abused children? Because this law doesn't work, that's why! It only serves to create anarchy. Our governments are 'playing' with us. The real perverts are at the top, laughing their heads off at as all.

[unknow]

i would have a time limit for certain age group to be allowed out at certain time
for example i woul make under 16 be back home at 7pm and 17-19 at 9pm and 20-25 before midnight anf over 25s any time as they can be responsibly

[Andrea]

As a mother my heart goes out to all the families who have lost their children in such a brutal way. The sad deaths of Jimmy Mizan and Robert Knox have now brought violent crime very close to where I live. I find myself increasingly worried about the world my child is growing up in.
My veiw is that we should look to examples such as former 'Mayor of New York'Rudi Giuliani and how he made an impact on violent crime in New York.

[Dan Miller, USA]

Re-arm your law-abidding citizens and your police !!!

Firearm & Knife Bans have never worked anywhere.

Freedom dictates that free people have a right to "self" protection.

[luis miguel menezes volta]

i think its getting out of hand now,all this stabing. the goverment has to do something about this and now. the death sentence should be brought back.someone who takes another persons life should be killed no matter what.There should be more police on the streets doing searches on young youths and like someone previously said we should be more concerned about our country we live in which is getting worse and worse. everyone has to get together and do something about this.thanks

[Chris]

Ever since the abolition of Capital Punishment and the softly softly approach of the Lord Longford, Namby Pamby, Dogooder, Brigade violent crime has increased in Britain, (no matter what Goverments and Analysts say as they're always telling you what they want you to hear and not the truth). If we're not going to re-introduce Capital Punishment then sentencing should fit the crime, maybe along to lines of the American system LIFE meaning LIFE for Murder in the first degree and 30yrs plus for Murder in the second degree, not the present British 25yrs for murder(12yrs for good behaviour). Look at the Great Train Robbers, they got 30yrs for stealing cash from a train, but then again money has always meant more than someones life. The present sentencing system for all crimes is a JOKE, a number of years ago where I live, a young mother was so violently beaten by her partner she was left totally crippled and reliant on her family for all her needs, and what sentence did the judge give him 5yrs, should have been 25yrs with no parole. Maybe we should go back to the 50's style of Prison regime of hard labour and not the present life of luxury and then maybe criminals and thugs would think twice before committing any criminal acts.

[g g]

there is no deterrent for crime these days.capital punishment has to be brought back now! prisons i guess are overfilled with motorists,council tax dodgers etc & the real baddies live a life of riley laughing at our pathetic system.any mp with the balls to bring back cp would get my vote.think of the money saved.too much red tape for the police to be out on the streets, & i don't mean catching a drunk peeing on the pavement.

[Sheila Nestor]

I am a Londoner born and bred and I have never been more fearful for my sons whenever they go out. Growing up I knew that if I misbehaved I would face the wrath of my father when I got home. The government, and so called do gooders for the protection of children rights, have taken that control away. Parents are powerless to instil the correct behaviours into their children using punishment. These animals are going to be the next generation of parents, I dread to think what society will be like then. I have two solutions, transport convicts to countries that require labour or capital punishment. Earlier this year I euthanised my dog because it escaped from the house and bit my neighbours dog. These animals that destroy people's lives should suffer the same fate.

[Alex Finney]

I say we just take the safety labels off everything, let natural selection do it's job. Maybe then we won't have morons and retards breeding to make more scum for the country.

[joe benoir]

BRING STRICT LAWS IN ABOUT KNIFE POSSEION WITH INTENT TO HARM WITH CHARGES ATTEMPTED MURDER, WITH HARSH SENTENCE AT LEAST 10 YEARS IN PRISON THIS SHOULD KNOCK SOME STEAM OUT OF THESE THUGS.

[Ton Striker]

I would let law-abiding citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms. It is a God give right. One person with a legally licensed handgun could have saved the person. You have to make it so the criminal has more to lose than a slap on the wrist by a liberal judge and a bunch of liberals that think the criminal is the only one that has rights.

You poor people in England gave up your right to protect yourselves years ago. Do you think that the bad guys care that the citizens of The United Kingdom are unarmed? You bet they do! It makes it so much easier for them. Here in the USA we still have and always will have the right to defend our lives and property from those who would try and take it from us.

Get back to grass roots, get your God given rights back and stop giving them to the government.

Just read the posts here. Job’s, home, school, drugs, IPods, violent movies and on and on. You have to get God back in the picture. The youth of today needs to know there is retribution. There is a price to pay, not only here but from an almighty God. As I said, you must make the punishment far more horrendous than the crime. If one of these little darlings knows he will swing from a rope or dance in an electric chair he, or she, will think twice. Do you believe that here in America someone took it to the Supreme Court that lethal injection was cruel and unusual punishment? What about the 14 year old girl that was tortured and raped for day’s before she was mutilated and slowly killed? And the bleeding hearts are concerned with a lethal injection. Take them out and do to them what they did to their victim. Then the next “poor misguided, had a broken home, and wasn’t loved by his mommy, will think long and hard before committing the crime.

[Joy]

I have lived in Turkey for the past few years and feel safer here than in the uk. Why? Because the young men all have to do national service and learn respect for authority, respect for their families, respect for their elders. Yes there is crime but with harsher policing by a stong no nonsence police force its minimal in comparison to the uk. Its normal to see armed police, army, and security men. Its reassuring to know that I am safer walking the streets here and many ex pats here only visit back to the uk when they have to. The news from the uk isnt good. Would be interesting to let the Turkish police loose to do their work in the uk and see what the yobs of today make of having a good beating on the way to the police station. No pussyfooting around criminals here and its a better place for that.

[philip davison]

Stop selling cut price booze,we live in a small village,kids run riot,police call out time for a 999 call is 45 minutes,someone will get killed by these yobs one day,they run the streets and the police only care about getting another payrise,WHY?? WHAT DO THEY DO?

[David D.]

You should hire the famed anti-crime zero tolerance ex-New York mayor Rudy Guliani. He cleaned the streets of NY from rampant crime.

[debbie]

what is going to be done, how much many more stabbings, and other violent crimes by young thugs is it going to take before WE AS A NATION SAY STOP.. the goverment are not doing a thing to prevent this terrible loss of life.
I think we as a nation should stand up and be counted, march to downing street, do what ever it takes to stop all this, the police should be allowed to do 'stop and search' if these kids are carrying knives, then they should automaticaly be punished, i say 'BOOT CAMPS' instill some morals and respect into these kids.
Stop it before it gets out of control. 'NOW'soon there will be more people taking the law into their own hands. getting justice for themselves, why? because we are being let down all the time by the goverment and the justice system. where is it all going to end!!!

[I Stewart]

I live in the Cotswolds, but also spend time in London with my partner, so I have had experience of both sides of the two different crime cultures, but basically they are the same, just on different scales. In the Cotswolds, the kids and teenagers are just left to roam the streets by their parents. My particular street I have witnessed, drug dealing, boy racers causing a general nuisance and damaging other peoples property and cars, which goes on well into the early hours. Also small children I have witnessed just damaging property. I have stood up to all these situations and tackled as many problems as I can, but feel quite alone as most people are afraid to do the same. In London I also stand up to bad behaviour and have been beaten up a few times before for doing this and I count myself lucky that I havent been stabbed or worse. My whole view is that no matter what the age, they should be prosecuted and no names witheld. Prison should be prison with no frills and the sentences should be tougher. If anybody is caught with a knife or weapon, they should automatically be imprisoned, for a set time, dependant on previous convictions. If it is small children causing damage, then their family should automatically be refered to Social Services for assesment, to see as to why the child is out without supervision, this is also within the childs interest. There should also be less paperwork for the police, surely it would be quicker for statements to be voice recorded and use this as evidence in court, giving them more time out on the streets. Local police stations should be brought back to villages to give residents a local contact even if it were only part time.

[Wildfire]

The reason a vicious dog can slaughter a whole coop full of chickens; is because the chickens can’t defend themselves.
When the law-abiding are forbidden the use of tools for self-defense; criminals, who by definition violate the law and are armed as well as violate the law, are emboldened. Think passing a new law will help? What about the laws against rape robbery and MURDER? How are those working out? Allow the law-abiding to be armed and make it LEGAL to kil criminals and the crime rates will drop.
Cowards deserve no safety.

[Laura]

The one thing i want more than anything in the world is a chance to be a mother.. but sometimes i wonder if nowadays its selfish for me to want that. what would i be bringing into the world?? a thug? a drug addict? a murder?
you can live in the most stable of homes nowadays and it don't make a blind bit of difference. Because as soon as they walk out that door its a whole different game with different rules. you HAVE to be tough to survive in school or on the streets.for children of todays world its a mission to get home from school safe.
For once id like to here something positive in the Media. Isn't that what we do as careers? we promote the positive, to get back positive behavior?
well maybe they should try it for once! they make out like the hole world is just death and destruction.. the world is full of pain and suffering. Like we don't already know how crule the world is. why not give us hope that there is goodness in the world?
instead of telling children what they cant do, try telling them what they can do.. give them options.
i think you'll find all a child wants is to have someone who believes in them and to be herd. and lets face it no-one does.
we are turning our children into what we show them to be everyday, on the TV, in the News paper... if no one cares for them why would they care for themselves or what the consequences to there actions are?
murder, assault, stabbing.. these should of NEVER of happened. you should NEVER have to burry your child. And my heart goes out to all those that do..
things need to change.. at home, on the street and in schools! these children are our future... and at this moment in time.. what kind of future is that?

[Ann.]

I think the goverment is to blame for the situation we are in as they are so soft on crime.these people who carry knives and guns are not afraid of the police or the Law as they know if caught the judge don't give long stretch,mind you prison today is a holiday camp according to a American Sheriff.send them to Iraq if they want to fight and kill.what they would cry to come back home.my heart goes out to all tha familys concerned.

[Hannah]

Im 17 years old and since jan 08 i have now lost 2 friends and another whom i know of. One friend being stabbed in the metro and another amy who died news year day in a car crash! We live in a socity were by as each day passed nothing will be done... despite these campaigns "Crack down knife crime" etc. I dont want to loose another friend this way two is enough!!! Knife amnesties arent enough now because people still carry knifes. Life is too precious and Good people dont deserve to die. I think that mps need to think seriously how to deal with these matters.
Prisons today are more like a free holiday, what i dont understand is why should we pay taxes so that scummy people who cause pain and hurt live a life of riley!

Rest in Peace Rob Knox,
You will always be remembered!
x

[paul]

After reading most of the comments (and none of the government will)it is obvious what needs to happen.
1. jails for petty crimes and not luxury holiday ones either.

2. Death sentances for more serious ones including rape, murder, pedo's etc

3. The naming and shaming of all ages.

4. Military law, the criminals are using weapons so should we, and a shoot on sight policy to go with it (obv head cams to prove of iminant danger)

5. Return all foreigners back home, let Britain deal with our own mess we don't need the extra.

6. Don't give hand out money and homes to the above mentioned just for turning up here.

7. Throw people like gordon browne in prison for 10 years so they can have a sentance like we have.

8. Any government put in power should do just that, use the power we supply not them and get rid of human rights crap.

9. Any criminal should be sent to a war zone if they survive (pity) then let them come home if they die so what it saves our innocent lads being slaughtered out there

10. We should take to the streets and bring control back unfortunatly there are not enough of us to stand up and be counted

11. Final point ZERO tollerance and mean ZERO !!

Bring the pride back and get rid of scum (including some of the government they know who we mean)

take care and stay safe, if that means anything now

[Mark Foster]

I have taken the time to read everyone's comments above. ( I wonder if an MP would do the same?)I live in Richmond and have witnessed first hand Violence in the area. This gang culture that seems to be the trend has got out of control. The only way to stop all of this crime is to get tough on crime. However there will always be some organisation to come to the thugs rescue. If the government want to get the respect of the people, then they need to take action now.

[Hannah Mckail]

The problem has escalated tremendously and is now a threat to everyone. I live in South London and I am now afraid to walk alone in the dark. It does not make sense for an adult to be more afraid of a group of children than vice versa. Teenagers in gangs are now in control.

There must be a solution but the law does not have the answer. We need to educate children and families how they can stop this from the home.

Give incentives to draw teenagers away from such a negative life style to a positive role in the community. If the govenment gave advice on how people could help then we would.

The law has got it back to front; we need to prevent the problem not punish it when someone else has been murdered. Its too late when they're dead!

[Xcop]

As a retired ex Special Investigation Branch and beat plodding PC at the age of 75 you can imagine my horror at todays situation.
The police now have an uphill battle and whilst I can see the need for undercover officers to adopt the dress and style of the criminals that they are persuing, I do not like to see uniformed officers looking like tramps. They seem to have abandoned the pride that the force once displayed and I for one have lost respect for them.
OK perhaps they have done this to get 'closer' to the thugs. How about getting closer to their public?

[Judy]

I lived in England for a year 2006, with three pre-teen children. I could see this behavior was inevitable in every corner from south to north.

ENGLAND DOES NOT HAVE VARIETY QUALITY SPORTS/ACTIVITIES FOR TEENS. I tried to find a decent dancing school for my daughter, basket ball for my youngest and believe it or not football for my eldest son and all of these activities were a nightmare to find,

apply and be accepted the places that did facilitate ie basketball they had no instructor and are allowed to play in jeans/shoes.

Most of the kids around the neighborhood didn't partake in any activities. So of course these kids look for alternative adventure they learn to get there kicks by drinking, bullying, harassing etc.

Now I am living elsewhere and my children are involved in 3 different sporting activities each. All of which are within 20 minutes of our home...... England caters to the very rich and unfortunately the rest don't matter...

[stella]

Give back power to Police and teachers. Teachers are not even allowed to tell a child off now! At the moment minors can get away with any form of violent behaviour without having to pay a price. National service and the old borstal system were deterents where minors had to be punished for anti social behaviour. We have all suffered because of the civil liberties crusaders where the perpetrators' rights are thought more of than the victims. Forget civil rights for violent crime - what about the rights of the victims. Police should also have the right to stop and search without having to face a storm of protest from leftie do gooders who have turned our country into a cesspit.

Sorry, its radical but we are at crisis level now.

[Peter Fallon]

his government or any subsequent must make knife crime and anti-social behaviour its number 1 priority.It us up to all of us to bombard our local MP TO take up cudgels on our behalf and if they dont vote for someone who will.

[douglas]

if things were so bad he should have been packing heat. of course I am from Texas.

[Anon]

The solutions are simple.

* Corporal punishment in Schools - Anyone under the age of 16 who is anti-social in class, should be punished appropriately.

* Military Service as Punishment - Anyone who commits minor anti-social crimes repeatedly (such as petty theft etc...) should have to serve a minimum of three years unpaid military service.

* Hefty crimes such as rape, murder and drug dealing should be punished by jail. Jails should have no pleasures; no television, strict antidrug measures and the like. Prison guards should have authorisation to punish using stunguns and teargas if necessarry.

* Eliminate the benefit system as it is. Only allow the elderly and inable to be eligible for benefit payments. Eliminate Job Seekers allowance; most of the people on this benefit do not wish to work.

* Make in-mates of prisons do unpaid labour manufacturing items of use for the country, such as furniture for 40+ hours per week.

* Have all schools construct isolation blocks, each room built for an individual and when school students misbehave severely, have them spend all school hours except break times, in an isolation room seperated from anyone else without any reading material. The amount of time spent in these isolation blocks would be at the teachers discretion.

* Promote British pride and patriotism once again.

* Only allow immigration for those who have legitimate skills that they can offer to Britain to help better the country, such as skilled labourers, people who hold degrees, etc...

* Allow asylum seekers to come to Britain, so long as they are willing to contribute significantly, and so long as they succesfully complete an intensive english speech course.

* Treat all criminals equally; each as brutallly as the next, regardless of ethnicity, race or creed.

* Keep religion OUT of gorvenment decisions.

* Eliminate the red tape caused by political correctness ~ Life isn't politically correct.

[James]

I have heard mutterings of Vigilante action, I think it will happen,we know that the yobs get away daily with their disgusting behavior, so why not a vigilante/s, the police have their hands tied by red tape and politicaly correctness.

[Barb Miller]

Gather all of the uncivilised immigrants and send them back where they came from, then bring back 2 years of national service and make it tough, get rid of the do gooders and bleeding hearts and get tough on criminals, get all of the tv's and work out equipment out of our jails and lets have them breaking rocks again. The Labour government have caused this problem and they now condone it by doing nothing to stop it they're too busy behind locked doors thinking up ways of squeezing more taxes out of us...

[hollingworth]

Just read all the comments, we ALL know where the problem lies ; the energetic loving bond within the family structure , the strong social and teaching pillars of the establishment have (nearly all) been crushed over the years by `liberal minded politicians , teachers (mainly women) and Do Gooders with NO idea of the catastrophic effect that their decisions would make in the future. `AS A TREE IS TRAINED , IT GROWS´ Religious education ( in lay mans terms )must be introduced for the masses , we must turn around our way of thinking before it´s too late

[lisa]

i dont think the publics opinion really counts anyway otherwise it would have got better along time ago, but unfortunately for this country it has got much worse too far now to help as there are to many sickening thugs. these evil people who can do this are not human, its to polite to even call them animals. they should not be allowed to go and enjoy themselves in prison they should be ececuted. in my opinion bring the national service back for those who hang around the streets bored with nothing to do, those who dont want to work or go to college. there is no discipline here and the laws are too soft.

[AJT]

Kids today do what they want,no matter who it hurts because they have no comeback.A slap on the wrist and "don't do it again" is no deterant.What we need is Juvenile Centre's to house these animals or even "big boy's prison.That may scare them into not doing this again.Families are being destroyed because the police are powerless or perhaps scared to confront the gangs that face them in case they have weapons.Age is no issue if the kids are stabbing other's they know what they are doing and know damn well they are too young to be prosecuted,that's why we see headline's like this everyday.For once start treating them like adults and giving them the punishment they deserve,either that or let this go on and on and young people lose their live's to these idiots !!!!

[lisa]

i dont think the publics opinion really counts anyway otherwise it would have got better along time ago, but unfortunately for this country it has got much worse too far now to help as there are to many sickening thugs.

these evil people who can do this are not human, its to polite to even call them animals. they should not be allowed to go and enjoy themselves in prison they should be ececuted. in my opinion bring the national service back for those who hang around the streets bored with nothing to do, those who dont want to work or go to college. there is no discipline here and the laws are too soft.

[Danica Edwards]

The true England of our elders that was to be passed down to generations is on her deathbed. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We are quickly becoming the cesspool of Europe !

[anon]

Any one that stabs someone else should be tortured and then strung up to be killed by the grieving family. Hopefully the vermin that kill like this would think twice before carrying a knife.

[nicole barlow]

i think there should be a youth club so kids and teenagers can stay out of trouble. and that children should be inside at a sertain time.nicole age 11

[nicole barlow]

i think there should be a youth club so kids and teenagers can stay out of trouble. and that children should be inside at a sertain time.

[Alan Proctor]

This Labour goverment has always promised to be tough on crime. If this is tough then battle is lost. Let us do as they do in some countries around the world. Introduce ZERO tolerance to knives even the carrying of knives. Stop & search should be commonplace, not odd occassions when the police can be bothered.

1st offence of carrying should be minimum 5 years sentence of hard labour. Introduce chain gangs, jails over crowded easily solved, put them out in shifts seven day's a week digging ditches, trimming hedges, picking litter, breaking rocks in a Quarry. S

orry mr jailbird won't be needing that plasma tv. or table tennis table or even a gym. If the offence is murder there is only one solution bring back the death penalty, with all the advances in DNA technology the odds are hugely against the criminal,

If they know they are going to hang for it one or two might think twice befor carrying. Let us hope and pray some one with a little bit of backbone in the next goverment can sort this mess of a country out before it becomes reliant on vigilantes.

Hopefully a number of judges will wake up and act. personally I can't wait to emigrate to a civilised country.

[Geoff]

I currently work for a northwest police force and every day see the heartache anti social behaviour causes.

The people causing these problems don't care who they are hurting but quite the opposite, they think it is funny. Police forces around the country are fighting a losing battle with anti social behaviour as the government is constantly cutting budgets so there is not enough officers on patrol, even when these abusers are arrested the courts give too lenient a sentence. .

[ron george]

Lock up-Hard labour and deport or hang em

[heaton]

door men should search everyone who comes in even children then the stabbing idiots will be caught and put alarms in to avacuate the area if the door man find a weapen but i think rob was a brave lad and a good actor im only just an 11 year old kid my self its just horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i love the harry potter films its not going to be the same with no rob playing dudley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and plz put this in the news paper thank you!!!!!!

[ARN]

Carrying weapons in public with no excuse?

Public flogging and a day in the stocks for the first offence.

10 years hard labour under army supervision for the second.

Watch the problem disappear overnight.

[scott tomlin]

my comments are very simple it was thought up by myself in 30 seconds. if we are sending troops abroad to help them in there situations and wars. what it does to our situation back at home is exchanges these immigrants to free health care a free house and a job also a free schooling college and career.

these politicians should be had up for manslaughter. they done it to most of our great grandads in the first world war.they promised them houses fit for hereos.

and did not fulfil. they done it to most of our grandads again in the second world war and we had an influx of immigrants again.

they done it to our troops in the falklands and now in iraq. why an earth do we take this. every generation now. all this country has given us back. is bad health care. bad schooling. sky high taxes and a shoulder to cry on. no where near good enough!!!!!

i say grow up to the government serve your people. like they serve you. and dont you dare stand there and say you do. bring the army back home pay them to do a 5 day week in there own country serving there people and there citizens.

they can be in there country where there heart and there families and friends are and do a working week just kike us take the political police off the street they have proved they are nothing but nancies.

instead of hearing sieera oscar 999 bull crap. when someone is carrying a gun knife or holding a hostage. you should hear this is the british army 7th bratalion we are armed and highly trained.

if you do not comply with our demands we will open fire. and try approaching gangs with army culture. trust me we shall be a country again. and there is no race colour or creed mentioned. every other country except ours has army intervention.

i think thats the way.forward. if this is not true how comes every nation takes refuge in easy england.thanks to the e.u. and the b.s.e. bird flu and big dirty super markets ripping our farmers off aswell. this country is about to go pop!!!!!!!!!. so at 31.

i look forward to my 32 birthday. i have already planned it i will get up at 6am to join a queue at what ever bank is still trading then. to gain access to the main door somewhere between 9 and 10 when ever the staff have finshed there breakfast.

to apply for a loan of 10000% apr for me birthday haircut and bowl of cereal> have to go continental seen as a full english will be over priced and racist by then.

iam then gonna make me way to the local train station pull a news paper out of the bin. to read. go and wee in a can for a recycled full filtered ozone freindly brew. get the bithday cigar ready a combination of freshly cut edmonton grass with just a sprinkling of winchmore hill field.

all wrapped together by a page from a recycled news paper. and once finished this i will retire to my humble obode the tent. to catch the number 29 bus at 02:40 to start work on paying off my birthday loan should take around a life time if i only eat once a day.

wow what a great day. p.s. tent was given to me from red cross.go on take a walk on the british side. (it wont hurt after all queen and country) yeah right p.s. love to those out there who feel my pain i feel yours. we stand alone lets unite to fight. and let our army be our police.

[ben mccheyne]

first things first, get that bumbling idiot gordon brown out of power! bloke doesnt know his head from his ****! about a week ago i went on to ebay and bought a nepalese bowie knife with a 17inch blade! for £30!! ( for ornimental use only) this is how EASY it is to get hold of weapons! the jusice system is A JOKE!! they give out these large sentences and half the time they dont even serve half of it! all at the cost of the tax payers!!! US!

bring back the death penalty, prison should be a punishment/deterrant! but and how do you class punishment as having access to the internet, games consoles, sky tv, pool tables! it never used to be like that! bed and a toilet! thats how it should have stayed! this country has gone down the toilet!

pussy footing about with human rights! what a load of crap! what about the human rights of the deceased trough acts of crime!

[Chris Smith]

My heart goes out to Robs family and friends. I have to agree with most of the comments i have read. This country infuriates most of us decent citizens.

I have 3 children 22, 20 and 16. The elder two a boy and a girl are out in Watford most weekends and i hate it.

They are good kids that have been bought up to respect and be polite and to treat others as they would like to be treated themselves. i go to bed with my mobile and land line phone.

I have years of this worry to go through yet. My 20 year old daughter was stabbed in her buttocks with a sharp instrument in a night club in Watford, presumably a needle she was very traumatised but the club were not interested nor were the police or local MP.

She had to be tested for HIV virus that takes 3 months. If sentences were longer and there was more deterrant i'm sure these mourons would think twice before comitting any type of crime.

They should bring back national service, Detencion centres,HANGING/STONING, in public. I could go on and on but where does it get us. All these pedofiles that are living in our neighbourhood. WHY!!!

Even when it comes down to animal cruelty these beasts are banned from keeping animals for a couple of years. as far as i am concerned they should be banned for life, and life should means life.

[djafar]

I think the best ways to save our street,and to cut crime.Is sending the criminal to abroad jail,ex: lybia,nigeria,egypt and so on.There they will see the difference of the holiday tey gone to spend.and if they are forenairs,send them back to there contry's jail,with option of his parents.You will see the difference in few years time.I am a forener,and i care for this contry.

[Cindy]

This country does nothing to deter these people from committing these awful crimes. The punishments never fit the crimes - am sure half of these muppets stand in court and dont even break into a sweat at the thought of the punishment they are going to receive. Since when did your own room with a telly and a playstation put anybody off going to prison? Until our so called government sorts this problem out this will continue. Harsher punishments and national service may help - it certainly should be worth a try as nothing else seems to be working! My thoughts go to his family and friends!

[Tim]

More police on the streets. Give the police back the powers they need to contol the streets!
Get rid of the human right and health and safety laws/regulations that tie the hands of police officers. Good old fashioned policing is needed. Officers spend way too much time doing paperwork.
More prisons, bring back borstals. Bootcamps are another option. Harsher sentencing is required. Make magistrates and judges accountable for the ridiculous decisions that they way too often make.
Make parents more accountable for not controlling their children. Curfews from 2100 hours til 0600 hours for all under 18 year olds.
Get rid of 24 hour drinking. Britian has a drinking culture that is responsible for most of the violent crime on our streets.
Time the government gave the majority of the public what it wants and deserves.

[Georgina]

Death is such a scary thing to experience.
And the bad thing about it is that people are killing eachother for stupid reasons like; you took my girl and many more. The victims have lost their lives and the killers live without their consicious killing them and haunting them its not fair. The polices and other source of government should find a way to should to stop all of this madness before all of our youths are gone!!!!

[joanne boyland]

havent you noticed its the innocent ones that suffer the goverment need to crack down send them to iraq lets see how they get on without their booze,fags and luxurys.

i have two teenage boys and it is the parents who the blame lies with. And also broken britain wasnt broken until the floodgates were opened to anybody who wanted to come here regardless of their criminal history.

Hang murderers,rapists,perverts who would miss them.Also n.o.t.w. why dont you ask people to comment on that murder of the starved to death child and the starving to death brothers and sisters.

What should be done about them deport them back to their own contries let their own goverment deal with them and close the floodgates after them put britain back together again.

Also my sympathy goes out to the victims family that wee boy died for nothing.How can someone sleep at night knowing theyve killed an innocent person barely an adult with a promising future ahead of them or was that the problem were they jealous that someone was acheiving what they never could.

[Andy]

There is no chance for any of us to claim the streets back, I'm a police officer and I will tell you now that calling us is about as much use as calling your local Pizza Hut, you'd get more satisfaction out of them thats for sure.

[Jane]

I am only 17 years old myself and hearing about all this death is the scariest thing, I mean how are young people supposed to go out and enjoy themselves if they live in fear.

I do agree with National Service as it would replace some long lost discipline, it may be hard at first trying to bring it back in but at the moment the petty laws that are being brought in to decrease the amount of crime and death amongst younger people are obviously doing nothing.

Think about it really we have young men fighting in Iraq because of political issues and we have people throughout the country harming and killing each other, there has to be a way to get the country under control. Personally they should send everyone who is not on a college or school register to serve, this could also apply to anyone who has no intentions of finding themselves a career, it would get people of the streets and maybe make them a lot safer.

Hearing this latest tragedy is really upsetting especially to hear that the young man, who had ambition and was heading into a strong fast career having already starred in many things, was taken down by thugs.

He was doing the same as any other person would do in this situation. Protecting someone they love. Even though I did not know him personally I have great sympathy because nothing is being done about the crime in this country, it is all talk and no action by the government.

The threat of jail sentence can be considered a joke, no one is scared of going to prison anymore as it is just like staying in a hotel.

There is nothing threatening to the individuals who harm and hurt other people, at the end of the day when a person is murdered they have one vital human right taken away 'the right to life'.

How can people think about rights when they are being contradicted day in day out, it is completely outrageous. The country need to take a stand or it is just going to get worse and people will be in fear waiting for the next shooting or stabbing to happen, society itself is falling apart all because young people are not scared of consequences or what will happen to them if they do something wrong.

We really need to wake up and look at the reality of things because the country is tearing itself apart piece by piece allowing things like this to continue. Something really has to be done for people to live in peace that was once existent.

[John]

In my view of these coward drunken, drug taking and drug dealing scum that frequent our streets. I am sick of these people saying there are not enough facilities for these animals.

It wouldn't matter if there was a youth center on every corner this won't change a thing. I have experienced these scum first hand and I don't care what I have to do to deal with them.

As far as I am concerned when dealing with these pigs their age doesn't come into it if they choose to disrespect people drink take and deal drugs then they become another category to me.

The police didn't help me one bit. Most of the time they don't even attend when they are called. (This helps keep the crime figures down) these people are paid to protect and serve us and clearly don't.

So they left me no choice but to deal with them myself. I now have a criminal record and have served time in Belmarsh prison which is a high security prison and houses some of the worst scum in the country.

Just for standing up to this ****. I have even had to go out and find people who have committed crimes against my family on two occasions. And get the police to act or I would have.

Having to threaten the police to do something is the norm in my experience. I have have worked all my life and had to pay for everything I own.

Now I am a criminal like them because the authorities didn't do their job but you are not allowed to give them a taste of their own medicine.

When you are told that there is nothing that can be done to these scum even though I knew who they were I wasn't gonna accept it.

The law is on their side, and unless it is changed this will continue to happen. They know the law inside out and if they are in a gang and they commit a offence because of the numbers of them they know they won't get anything done to them because it is hard to prove who done it.

We should be able to protect our homes and families. Whatever it takes to get the message across to these animals, that not everyone will be intimidated by them. At the end of the day if there was a war on Britain then the army would be called in to deal with it.

As far as I am concerned that is the only way for this to be dealt with. USE THE ARMY as gang units similar to what they do in America and give them the powers to do whatever is necessary to deal with them.

They won't be abused and intimidated by this scum. They are in my eyes as bad as terrorists they turn peoples lives inside out by terrorizing and are killing people.

So they should be treated as such. You do gooders out there who think they should have rights, and my views are over the top. Then you obviously don't live amongst these low lifes of society.

You are the people who has allowed this to happen. Their faces and names should be able to be known as most are protected because of their age it's just a joke.

The parents might do something if their name is displayed every where, even though I am not blaming all parents for their kids actions.

Wake up Britain and force this government to act. I have kids myself and it makes me sick to my stomach that another couple of lives have been lost this week.

It's out of control, our kids whatever age should be able to go wherever they want and be safe but they can't. I live in Erith which has had its full share of murder and is home to one of the worst gangs in London and Kent.

A handful of people won't work it needs the whole nation of the decent people of this once great country to act or it will stay the same. Don't wait till you become a victim as you all are in one way or another even if you don't think you are.

No one fills safe in their area anymore and just that alone makes you a victim. My deepest sympathy to the families who have unnecessarily suffered a loss.

[tony mc]

the state of are cities is getting worse, violence has been on the increase for years along withe lack of respect, since the abolishment of corp' punishment in schools , there was always the odd "few" in the school who were regularly caned , but for the rest this was an ideal deterrent and kept most from crossing over the line, with it now removed and total lack of discipline its now no longer the "few" but the many that have crossed the line and sadly this has passed on through the following generations... We need a proper known deterrent ,WERE THE GUILTY ARE PUNISHED... WE NEED CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. WE NEED CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT BRAVE ENOUGH TO BRING IT BACK.

[diana]

Removing knives and other weapons is unenforceable. I believe the main culprit is drug related and that a minority is ruining all our lives. I am afraid I have no answers, I only wish I had, but I do think there is not sufficient discipline and respect instilled in the young. The power seems to be with the evil minority because we as a society gave it to them TAKE IT BACK. National Service could be an answer but we need to be careful that the weak are not taken into Natioanl Service and then bullied by the evil minority. Strong sentencing may help, but I believe a lot of these crimes are committed when these youths are "high on drugs" and have no concept or care as to what they are doing. My main thought is WHERE IS THE PARENTING, surely children grow up as good adults under the guidance of parents and teachers, teachers hands are tied and it seems to me we need to look more closely at the kind of parents out there. Bad Parents need help, if they are not seeking help then they need to be punished for their crime of producting these monsters and letting them loose on the rest of us.

[Gez]

Just bn reading what other readers think of these scum bags, I agree we should have more police on the street and yes bring back national service, and let's get rid of this goverment, let the do-gooders visit the family's who have lost dads,mums,sisters and brothers, and see what real pain is, HUMAN RIGHTS WE GOT NONE.

[jan Monte-Colombo]

It is complex and needs to be tackled from diffeent positions. Society is allowing this to happen, we could change it tommorow if there was the public or political will to do so. We need to organise a massive National campaign of marches, rallies and give the public a voice. why is the goverment not responding, what is it afraid of? The tensions are rising and communities are breaking down. Family life is stressful and focused on finances - the housing / credit crunch has a lot to answer to as the minority were able to take us down a road of capitalist greed at the expense of most of us.Community breakdown starts even when the child starts school and no longer atteneds their local school as parents fight for spaces at a decent school, whilst they go out to work all day.Children should go to schol where they live and keep the community intact. Children are bringing themselves up with less quality time spent together. As a social worker and mother of 3 young adults I know some of the challenges they face; power and control are central to both the family and school. I believe the impact of external influences are also key, take the TV, music, media, phone, internet, etc away and this in itself should be further regulated within the home and by the goverment.This seemes very central to peer pressure and influence on the streets.
I never thought I would be saying this but some sort of National community service is needed, along with more curfews and rasing of drinking age to 21. Alcohol laws needs to be modified and return to less opening hours, but this will not stop the binge drinking attitude, this reflects something else about the individuals that needs addressing. Children are not children for very long any more, great pressure to grow up quickly, stress of constent testing and feeling a failure if you do not go on to higher education or own your own home etc...we no longer value the basics in life.Communities need stability and to build relationships, but too much transition and feelings of threat on several issues [ personal and terrorist attack, to take responsibility and be involved and not out working all hours to keep body and soul together ]Self esteem and identity, particularly for boys needs further work, there are too many fatherless households which affects them in many ways. [ role modelling, setting boundaries etc]
One thing will not sort this out, it is political and needs the goverment to take the lead. Invest in communities and legislate for affordable homes and tax incentives for family care/ lifestyles of all generations.
Where are there communities that work in the UK? What are they doing right? What are the differences in other European countries, A strong TV season of Documentries can be influencial at times eg Cathy come home. Did the Irish women not march in Ireland for change during the troubles? We need some key people to champion this cause like Geldoff did for Live Aid , why is nothing happening for this country? Muscians have always been influentail for the youth, why is is it so silent?
I know many decent young people and they are trying to get on with their lives, I pray my boys come home safely every time they go out and hope they continue to be strong and not easily influenced by life's pressures.

[Wild Bill (USA)]

In USA the area with the highest violent crime are the areas with the strictest gun laws. States that allow qualified citizens to be armed have seen reductions in such crimes. The crime in your county will continue to get worse until lawful citizens are allowed to defend themselves.

[john.razzell]

im 65yr old bring back borstals national service d.c ase it used to be if eny goverment do this they will over whelming support from the people we have had it with crime in this country let the people vote an see wat they say

[clare green]

sadly I think at the moment at least in the short term the only answer is "Stop and search"
after all if you've nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

[Woodrow Brackens]

Right, first off, the bouncers did not do their bloody job, EVERYONE should be searched, second the Queen, Old Baily or Whoever decides the law, needs to bring back public HANGINGS!!!!Anyone found guilty of murder, molesting or other serous crime needs to be HANGED until DEAD! The same needs to happen in the States also! Woody in West Virginia

[JIM SHERLOCK]

AS A EX TORAG THE ONLY (YES) ONLY WAY TO PREVENT STREET CRIME ECT IS PUNISHMENT THERE IS NO DETERENT ANYMORE VERY FEW WILL REPORT CRIME FOR FEAR OF REPRISALS KNOWING THESE SAME LOW LIFES WILL BE BACK ON THE STREET WITHIN HOURS AND PRISONS ARE NO DETERENT BECAUSE OF HUMAN RIGHTS GONE MAD TVS PLAYSTATIONS ITS A JOKE PLEASE GET TOUGH THEY SHOULD HAVE A FEAR ABOUT PRISON AND THERE DEFINETLY IS NOT EVEN A WORRY FROM THEM EVEN THE AGE OF CHILDREN BEING TROUBLE MAKERS IS GETTING YOUNGER BECAUSE OF NO DETERRENT

[Wade Hampton]

There are no easy answers here but we could start with a more aggressive and interventionist sentencing policy so that horrible violent people are dealt with harshly much sooner and not allowed "bail" or "tagging, both of which are now seen as useless, soft options. We could also start being less "PC" and get in and mix it with obvious young crminals, irrespective of the colour of their skin. The US went through all this in the 1970's and they finally got fed up with appeasement of really vile people, adopted zero tolerance attitudes, expanded the number of prison places and brought in the "three strikes and you're out" laws. The UK will HAVE to go down this road or our towns and cities will become "no go" areas (if they haven't already !)

[VIV WILLIS]

There is no deterrent - we have to bring back Capital Punishment and tougher sentences and all sentences should mean exactly what they say e.g 15 years must mean 15 years and life should be life. And also I think boot camps should be introduced. The trouble with this country is we are far too soft with these people. Now is the time to push the do gooders aside and get down to sorting this problem out before it gets any worse.

[tel]

I cant imagine what would of been said if it had been white lads slashing black kids.Bring back corporal punishment in schools for starters.2 years national sevice on leaving school (no excuses) and the drinking age up to 21.Get rid of the kiddie cops.And we should be giving the right to defend our own property from those who tresspass against us.Lets put the G back in Britain

[terri manning]

To be honest the grovement dont give a dame if they did rob and many others who have been killed by these yobs would still be here, they should bring back the death penalty life for a life, if they are older enough to do the crime then they are old enough to be have the death penalty no matter how old they are, my heart gose out to robs and many other families who have lost a loved one in this way, this country is getting worse and nothing is being done about it,it seems the law is on the yobs side because the law is to soft lets hope nothing happens to there loved ones cos u will see the law change then

[Brin]

We need to return to older policies and ways. National Service for all, no exceptions at all.

Those who kill have to be executed. We have tried understanding the depraved criminals, its failed, scrap this liberal lunacy.

Don't build more prisons, we have enough. If they are full up, hang the top 40 bad hard cases. The message would soon get around and more criminals would heed the disincentive.

[DAN]

The trouble is people these days are more scared of speeding and getting caught, this is because everywhere you turn there is a speed camera stop waisting money trying to catch people doing 5mph over the speed limit.Use the money on CCTV cameras more police on our streets and I agree with national service I am in the armed forces and I have to admit there is a lot wrong with it but it teaches you whats wrong and right.I am afraid in this day and age of human rights and touchy touchy attitudes towards the youth of today that it will never happen.I am not and old man but I do feel that we are heading into trouble when courts are more worried about the attacker than the attacked these people are thugs with no guts they cant just have a fist fight because they are scared.They cant be on there own they have to hang around in gangs again because there scared.Its a shame but until police patrol our streets braking up these gangs and doing the job they are paid for to protect and serve.Until the government realise that they must make life in prison that life.There is no excuse wheather its age,race,or that you just sat on my side of a slide in my park to condone these people.

[Dave The Geordie]

Bring back the death penalty. It's the only way forward.... never mind all the human rights silliness.
If you take a life then you should have yours taken.
All this "there's nothing for kids to do" is a load of nonsense. There is plenty for kids to do...
It's more like the parents have no interest in what theIr kids do.

[daniel di-benedetto]

Why is it when an individual kills all we hear about is their human rights. They go into a Detention Centre are allowed to play video games, have days out and live a luxury life. What happened to the Human Rights of that individual whose life was taken, do they lose that right because some thug decided to kill them or what about the Rights of the Family whose child or sibling was taken, the legal system seems to forget the survivors. What type of society are we living in that allows this to happen over and over again. Bring back Borstals they worked fantastically and once an individual got out of Borstals they very rarely became repeat offeneders. I truely believe that any individual just caught carrying a gun should be doing 10 years without probation, 5 years with a knife and if an individual takes a life then it should be life in prison for them........ Zero tolerance means zero tolerance, why is that so hard for our legal system to swallow. Instead of the Government bailing out Northern Rock they should be putting money into building more jails as everyone knows from reading the News every day that we are losing control of the youths of this country.

[Peter]

Secrete policing and proactive actions by police, locking up drug dealers for a long time, helping users get of the drugs.More under cover surveillance.
More Jobs. Cut the cost of petrol and living.
Stop wasting our money on wars.

[Derek Mills]

I myself would say a life 4 a life you kill you get the death penalty what ever the age you are you die.Simple as that

[Steve (41)]

I'm tired of hearing discussiong about death penalties, punishments and human rights laws. Fiddling about with what you do after crimes are committed does not prevent crime.

What needs to happen is that there needs to be proper commitment to ensuring young people are growing up with respect for their community and for authority. For a start, more police patrolling the streets would be a good start - less bureacrats policing our streets from hidden offices. Second, children under 18 should not be allowed to hang around the streets at night and if they are, they should be marched home to their parents, who should be made responsible for letting them out.

Tackle the people who raise these feral youngsters, and you will stop them becoming lawless in the first place.

[HELEN BATES]

I was very saddened to hear that yet another young man just starting his career (Robert Knox) has been killed by some mindless yob while trying to protect his younger brother.
What I do not understand is why 16 and 17 year old lads are drinking in a bar in the first place. Surely you must be 18 before being served alcohol? I think it is time some sort of national service is brought back for 16/18 year olds (male & female) who have no intention of working or doing anything worthwhile with their lives. I'd like to see the age for voting, drinking and smoking raised to 21, when hopefully these feral youngsters have matured enough to respect themselves as well as others, but I can't see it happening in my lifetime. I'm glad I don't have teenagers anymore.

[Bella]

WE HAVE TO LAX HUMAN RIGHTS!!!! WHEN IT COMES TO KILLING PEOPLE, THEY SHOULD LOOSE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS............ITS RIDICULOUS.ITS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE....HOW MANY MORE ARE GOING TO DIE??? GO TO PLACES LIKE SINGAPORE......LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE..YOU CAN WALK DOWM THE STREET THERE WITH NO PROBLEMS, VILE HUMAN BEINGS IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE NO FEAR IF THEY KILL SOMEONE...THEY GET LOOKED AFTER AND THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS HELP THEM OUT NO END.

[sheila]

THINGS WILL GET WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS ONE THING TO GET THESE SCUM BAGS OFF THE STREETS!!
WE MUST DEMAND NATIONAL SERVICE FOR ALL 16 - 21 YEAR OLDS. STREET CRIME WILL DISSAPEAR OVER NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY WE WILL BE SAFE TO WALK OUR NEIGHBOURHOODS AGAIN.
THE GOVERNMENT ARE SOFT SOFT SOFT
THEY GIVE FREE HOLIDAYS AND MONEY TO THUGS!
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!DEMAND NATIONAL SERVICE NOW!!!!!!!!!!

[Richard Anderson]

Bring back the death penalty, if you put a needle into one arm of some thug who has just stabbed a young child to death and kill him / her then it would definately be a detterent for those thinking about carrying a knife in the future. We also hear all about the trops and not enough of them then bring back national service and tel these doo gooders to keep thier mouths shut. What would they be saying if someone stabbed thier child, i bet they would want the full extent of the law bringing in then, wouldnt you all!!!!!!

[Brendan Davis]

This country is pathetic, all these young lives cut short & the murderers sent away with stupid short sentences. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY !!!!

[monika]

IM DISCUSTED WITH THE WAY CRIME IS TACKLED IT IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL, THE LAW IS TOO SOFT AND MINOR CRIMES NEED TO BE TACKLED FIRST AND BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT THAT WOULD SOON STOP PEOPLE BEING MURDERED, EVEN MURDERS WHEN THEY GO TO PRISON THEY GET A TV, PLAYSTATION ETC, THE WORSE THE CRIME THE MORE LUXURIES YOU GET! I USED TO SUPPORT THE LABOUR PARTY BUT NOW I DON'T KNOW WHO TO SUPPORT...THERE ALL CRIMNALS AS WELL HAVING US HARD WORKING TAX PAYERS PAY FOR THEIR PERSONAL EXPENSES AND WHATS HAPPENED SINCE THE NEWS WAS RELEASED...NOTHING!

[SAH]

One of the problems with this goverment they allow too many so called minor crimes from youngsters to go virtually punishment free.
I dont doubt the knife murderers have been let off with cautions and small punishments previously, I would say first violent crime zero tolerance, however minor violence breeds violence, also boot camps instead of prison, no TV,mobile, computer etc. just physical work and no contact with the outside world.
Maybe then the criminals will understand a life of crime is not worth it.
To be honest I just cannot imagine why this country harbours the no good low lifes so readily. And look at the result we loose a lovely young man with a fabulous future ahead of him, he is not the first and I doubt he will be the last. WAKE UP GOVERMENT.

[C Garside]

What do you think should be done to save our streets? Well i see it like this.
Public houses will only open, 12 midday till 2pm then 6pm till 11pm. This would also cover all alcohol sales in all other retail outlets.
Then we have to bring back the beat bobby.
Also get parents to know where there kids are and what time thay are exspected in at night.
just doing these 3 things would give us the street back.

[kate]

Life is cheap in this country now. The devastation the loss of any child brings to a parent is unbearable.
There is no discipline and kids are looking forward to spending a relaxing time in prison. What does that tell you?
In the mean time more and more innocent children die.
We need to enforce some sort of hard labour for the children who do wrong. 18 hrs a day at least of hard work. Scare the **** out of them. Maybe prison life will not be so appealing.
We need to toughen up. This country is turning into a disgrace.

[Thomas carr]

This Q is always comming up but nothng gets done.It's the parents who are to blame and this government,no spanking no discipline at our schools kids are running amock in this country.plüs it is abut time that we brought back hanging for killers who take lives including terorists who also want to harm us.But the big Q is we talk about it and still nothing is done so what is the point.

Thomas.

[Richard Partridge]

Another poor soul dies because, of this failed multi-culti society. This white victim has been named because he was a minor celebrity.
How many murders of whites by non whites have been hushed up.
The only way to stop this is hang the murderers, and deport aliens who inflict damage on Britons, imprison the other assailants, with a very harsh regime.

[ju]

i think all children under the age of 18 should have a curfew not aloud out after 9pm and i think the rap music and the culture of today needs to be sorted out i feel we should have boot camps for minors and parents should stop thinking about theirselves and instead of letting their children roam streets they should be looking after their children instead to many parents just live their own lives and let the kids do what they want it is going to get a lot worse and it needs sorting out urgently

[Marg Daly]

Gordon Brown if you want to show your worth now is your chance - make our streets safe.

It is not the public who should have to come up with ideas on how to save the streets, it should be the Government.

This is a National crisis, so many young lives lost, urgent action must be taken now, to regain control. Many more police are needed, and sentences that fit the crime are a must.

Bring the troops back from Iraq and Afghanistan, because they have no chance of winning a war over there, when the Government that sent them, cannot even keep their people safe in their own country.

Prison should not be cosy, the prisoners should be made to work hard from morning until night and only have educational activities for recreation.

Violent videos and games should swept of the shelves today, there are poisoning not only the minds but the souls of our very young vulnerable children.

Shut the pubs for a time during the day and clubs should close early.

People who are admitted to hospital due to drink related conditions, should be made to pay for their treatment.

Mothers talk to your children you are the ones that will have the most impact on them. Demand more facilities for sport,education. Community centres. Family life needs to be enhanced the closure of Post Offices and small shops is a mistake, they should be given grants to stay open as they are the cornerstone that build communities.

Get out of that European Community that allows people from everywhere to settle in the UK, everyone know that it will only lead to more people with criminal records entering our Country. We would have been a happier and safer country today if we had not joined. Have a referendum Gordon.

[Katie]

Bring back corporal punishment
Bring back the death sentence.
This cannot be tolerated any longer.
We have to teach these young thugs or else we will slide down deeper into mire.

[Peed Orf]

why on earth are we putting up with this... kick labour out..get us out of the EU ...drop the human rights for the vermin that commit crimes ... and bang them up with a short sharp shock for minor offences..bring back borstals and detention centres with everything done at the double... it sorted me out 30 years ago and as I left the gates of Usk Borstal in Gwent..I vowed never to go back EVER and I have kept to it ... I was once a thug brawling and scrapping ..and it changed me

[ola]

national services would help, you have to teach discipline which all this kids seem to be lacking. you can send some one to jail, but will only make them hardened criminals. this problem needs to be tackled from earlier on! and also another alternative is to send who ever is caught with a gun to the army, there the will be though responsibility in using such weapons and respect for human life.

[james]

they should increase jail term sentances, and stop the softly softly approach, for example, when its 5 years for carrying a knife, you should get 5 years, the attitude with young people at the moment is they will be let off lightly and therefor have nothing to worry about...if a strong message is sent out that criminals will be dealt with sevearly then a lot of people who would consider commiting cirtan crimes, may think twice befor doing something stupid...theres 100's of reasons why its like it is now days, but to deal with the root problems you have to first take some sort of controll over whats going on...then lok at workshops in school with youngsters at an early age like 9-12 to try to deter them from becoming like the generation befor them. one of the main causes of violence amoung young people is ego's, and thier respect, this should be targeted somehow at youngsters to deter them from this kind of thinking, i know because i used to be in a gang when i was 16, the youngers look up to the olders and want to be like them, so the youngers try to get respect from the olders by outdoing what they do, so however the olders act, the youngers will try to act worse, then when thier older, thier youngers will copy and try to out-do them, and so it gets worse and worse evry generation...i could go on for hours but i think you get the point.

[Mark]

I must say that there are so many different ways of sorting out this mess.
I work as a special constable in my home town and can tell people of many a time i have been involved in YOB CULTURE calls.
The government should, i think, do the following.

Bring all our troops back to the uk and let them help sort out this country.
The emergency services are stretched and cannot offer a better service without a major hike in taxes..... answer.... let our armed forces protect OUR country.

Water cannons, why dont we have them ( see manchester last week )

As soon as you commit a crime that takes away someone elses human rights why should you be given any???

I have setup a group on FACEBOOK called LETS MAKE IT A UNITED KINGDOM. Anyone who wants to join and leave comments is welcome.
go here >>>
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15130033796

Finally, whilst on duty one bank holiday weekend ( sunday night ) there was myself and another special constable on the town. With pubs and clubs rammed full and violent incidents taking place all night how many officers do you think were on duty and deployable to an incident( in a town of around 70'000 people )????? You guessed it me and my colleague ( not forgetting that we are specials and dont do this as our first job ).

DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

[Claire]

Britain's problem is NOT alcohol or drugs...its what it is leading these kids down those paths in the first place. WHY are they drinking? WHY do they loiter causing a nuisance? The problem comes right from the home, and home is where the resolution lies. WHY don't these kids want to go home and spend time with their parents? I believe it all boils down to this country's rot - the horrendous house prices, wages not keeping up therefore you have the benefit-culture we see today. Parents are so stressed about money that they don't give a **** about their where their kids are and what they are up to, just as long as they are out of the way.

[Police]

I am a detective in London. I work on a crime/drugs squad. We put hours and hours into watching criminals, after we have done the hours of paperwork to get the authority, then hours raiding houses, dealing with prisoners. Then after that the court / CPS will bail them and put them back on our streets.
Plus why would the criminals stop, you get found with a knife, or stab someone and you get very low sentences given out by the courts. The scum of this country do not mind going to prison for a few months, its like band camp to them. Meet their friends, learn new skills to use against the public, all whilst being fed, given money and having a laugh in the youth club like prison!
The police will keep trying our best and do out job, but without new laws, and the backing of both the government and the courts, it all results in nothing.
We should opt out of the human rights legislation, it only hinder the police, where do you think all the paperwork is generated from.
Until the government get some ***** and spell out to the criminals that they do not have or deserve human rights, more kids will kill kids.

[Neal]

Our own citizens are dieing on our streets and our army is abroad. For three weeks put the army with the police and have zero tolerance of groups of three or more. Zero tolerance of any unsociable act in our town centres on a night time. Three weeks is all it would take to reclaim the streets for the common decent people too afraid to go certain places.

[brian wilson]

the youth culture that has griped the country stems from alcahol.
if the goverment revised the consumption age and not the purchase age the police would have grater powers of arrest,if it was ilegal to drink below 18 the problem would be solved as it is they can consume alcahol but not buy, what a made legal system

[juliet]

I am seriously concerned and sadened about the staTe of todays youth culture and basically any violent or threat induced attack.

The fact the the teenage death toll to date is 13 is disgusting and really sad. To hear that it is 1 is enough, and truth be told i thought the rate was higher and thats purely because over the last couple of years more and more of these types of stories have appeared in the news.

I feel that we really need to educate kids more on this type of behaviour, i feel attitudes have changed in the way that other peoples lives are being viewed. It is clear that peoples lives are beginning to mean nothing to one another and carry no value.

Attitudes need to change, more police men specifically in the areas where the attcks have been the highest. If we have to have a policeman or Community police worker on every street maning/patrolling the street then be it.

If change has to come from us then we need to change they way we are doing things and the policies. It's no good the Mayor saying he wants to change this and that, JUST DO IT.

I also believe that we need harsher punishments, i cant put my finger on what exactly but even something like carrying a knife with intent to hurt another or a knife attack should result in prison time ie 6months or even a rehabilitation unit.

I am also sick to death of hearing that prisons are full, this just means that people are getting away with murder. If prisons are full, then build more prisons! I definetly believing Policemen stopping big groups of teens and questioning them on what they are doing hanging around & asking if they could be doing something somewhere else.

I think control has been lost and we as nation are not installing enough fear in teenagers for unsociable & unacceptable behaviour.

[Michelle Walker]

I have never written to any magazine or newspaper, ever, but, I feel so very strongly about your Campaign to Save Our Streets. We all have to try and do something to stop this madness that has pervaded into our country. I, like many had adopted a 'yes this is awful all the killings and violence that is around us now, but, what can we do: nothing, this country is finished' BUT, with The News of the World and your sister paper The Sun, having such a powerful voice to reach out to people, maybe if enough of us do take on board what Jimmy Mizen's parents said, then how wonderful, if something great could possibly come out of such a tradgy of such a decent boy. Surely there are enough honourable politicians(?!), police, and people with power and influence that does feel enough is enough, lets try and start saving lives, and this country, before anybody who can possibly afford to leave, does so.

[A. Stone]

Stop all the 'politically correct' nonsense. No-one wants to see people bullied for any reason, but instilling a sense of respect for others in people can be done without resorting to pc. Also, if any foreign national commits a crime in this country, let them serve their sentences in their own country instead of here. Any foreign prisoners currently in jail should be deported immediately they are released. Committing a crime is bad enough, but committing it in someone else's country just adds insult to injury. That goes for Brits abroad too, some British people's behaviour outside of this country is appalling. If they end up getting what we consider a harsh sentence, well tough.

[darren]

sadly i think its too late to save the u.k.
my advice is to leave as quick as possible.
we live in new zealand and its the best thing
we ever did.we knew we could not change a thing
over there as the rot is far far too deep so
we did the only sensible option left to us.it
cost us a lot of money but it was worth every
penny.good luck to you poor souls stuck there
(you are going to need it).
darren nz.

[kelly]

i have a son of 8 and a little princess of 5 i dont let my kids play out side with all the other kids unless i am with them and what child whats there mum with them its a sad world we live in and when my kids grow up to be 16 dont think it will be any safer kids dont go out just with there bilkes they are takeing the bread knife with them or there dads fishing knife zero tolerance should mean zero tolerance

[Cassie, London]

Bring back national service. Increase stop-and-search in areas with a high number of reported cases of knife crime; muggings; burgularies and other cases of violent crime
Introduce (if possible) curfews in town centres. For example children and young people 16 and under should not be allowed to hang around town centres unaccompanied by adults.
Bring back corporal punishment
I am Black British of African origin and in my early 30s. I believe that are some delinquent kids with no ambition who have too much freedom. They ruin it for all the other young people who have respect for others and are basically decent kids like Jimmy Mizen.

[Barb Miller]

Get rid of the government that encourages this kind of anti-social behaviour with no consequences, Get us the Hell out of the EU. Bring back National Service, Reorganize the police into the crack police force they used to be, talk to Harry Keeble about how to do that! If someone is breaking the law they pay the consequence 'NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR SKIN THEY HAVE' if they don't like it they can leave and go back where they came from. Take away all luxuries in prison if they want something they have to earn it!! do work in prison for a small wage and then buy it yourself. Single Mothers should be working or taking care of their children if they don't, take the kids away and stop all benefits! she's not taking care of them anyway they'd be better off with foster parents. It's time to get really tough and reverse the damage this government has done to Britain starting with London.

[Tiril]

The answer and precedint have been set in New York. Everyone agrees yet we are NOT implementing what they implemented because we and the police are too scared and things that SHOULD HAVE NEVER BECOME ACCEPTABLE have become acceptable. Malcom Gladwell wrote about this in The Tipping Point. What is needed is a stronger more agressive police force and legislation. Small things like fare evasion, urinating in public, graffitti, robbery must be dealt with with a ZERO TOLERANCE approach. No one should get away with anything. It's called the broken window sydnrome. If you see a broken window that never gets fixed you think that is the norm so you believe you can keep breaking windows.
The UK is a laughing stock on the world stage because of its soft soft bleeding heart legislation and acceptance of horrendous crimes. The only solution left is to be tougher and implement Zero Tolerance on these purile thugs who have no respect for anything. Not even themselves. But alas, this will get ignored just like the rest of the sensible voices. London and the UK should hang their heads in shame.

[Wendy]

Bring back conscription, if as we are constantly told our prisons are full then send the little gits to Iraq or Afghanistan, there they will have to rely on themselves and each other to stay alive and the majority of them will come back having learned skills to keep them off the streets and will turn them into responsible members of society.

[Tim Denyer]

To stop crime on our streets, we need to back Boris, back the police,and tell the human rights do gooders, we have had enough and we demand the human rights of law abiding citizens. Dont let the do gooders handcuff the police with all of their minority group exceptions as backed by Livingstone, the
police will sort it if we allow them to.

Tim

[rob]

bring back the birch they want pain give them pain

[sheila]

I think alcohol availability is a lot to blame for all the violence on our streets. It's so easy for youngsters to obtain drink and it's freely available in most shops and supermarkets. Then we have the 24 hour drinking law which hasn't helped at all. We have to tackle this problem first and stop making alcohol so available.

[Peter Kent]

Wake up Brown, Cameron and the rest this could happen to you or your familys.My solution , as our prisons are seemingly full conscript this scum send them to Irak and Afghanistan and bring home our troops to clean up our streets.

[NJC LEEDS]

I had a youth centre that was AFFORDABLE it had snooker, video games, pinball, football hall (5-aside size),Disco,shop for sweets/pop and although it was some 25 years ago it cost me about £2 including some chips on the way home, so I would set up something like that where the entry was £50p, the games 20p and some responsible adults hung around that had that knack of getting on with the kids. The other ideas above and below are ok but give the kids a chance first, let them have fun , give them somewhere to go and be creative I am sure alot of the trouble is through bordeom.

[Karen Garbutt]

Start slapping huge fines(if thats not paid stick them in jail for a period) on parents that children cause trouble in the streets when it starts hitting home they will start bringing their kids under control. A proper hard hitting boot camp for the teens.
We should strip jail down no more luxary of playing on the playstation one bed one toilet thats all they need and deserve.

[Bert Emery]

Never mind building more prisons to mammby pammby the CANCER of todays society. The excuses for PEOPLE that like to booze, shoot, fight, stab and make a general nuicence of themselves in our towns and cities, should NOT be locked up and enjoy the privilege of the luxuries they now receive in jail, but transported to a barren island somewhere and left to live and fend for themselves , where they can fight as much as they like, that way the rest of the decent law abiding citizens would not be afraid to walk the streets again. It would also help to stop our jails from being overcrowded, saving millions of pounds on building new prisons

[Heather Hider]

It is very simple, you round them up the gangs of youths and you take them home, again and again and again, until they and their parents get the message.

You have to ensure that the transportation mechanism suffers long boring delays, provides a lot of heating in the summer and very effective air conditioning in the winter, has hard seats; that there is no facility for refreshments or toilet stops - any accidents to be cleaned up by the perpetrator.

Confiscate phones, ipods etc., during the journey and provide the company of a couple of police dogs.

It is called 'consequences' or 'cause and effect'.

The streets would be clear in no time.

[Nur]

I live in lee and know the area where the terrible death occured. I was brought up in Balham and moved to lee 3 years ago. Since living in this area I have seen the non-existence of family values or life. Parents (mostly single mothers) are so wrapped with their own space that they allow their children, sone as young as 6 hang around on streets untill it's late.
I see antisocial behaviour, intimidation of the ethnic minorities and lack of respect for property. I know thats it's unfair to blame parents wholly but 90% of the time one's upbringing does shape a childs role in the community for the future.
I am not completely religious, but I believe that there must a creater and hence I may need to answer for my life here in the afterworld. Parents of antisocial behavourial children do need to teach their children the value of life or respect. The likelihood that we could get an overnight government policy to change this is not likely. Todays parents are to late to teach hence our need to concentrate tomorrows parents and start to educate children today. The government needs to rethink on providing needless grants to projects that does not help the wider community but invest more on youth clubs. the clubs would keep the youngsters off the street and keep their minds busy with activities.
Zero tolerance is talked about and not pu into practice.