I can remember when the children at all ages had something to do!. Where have all the youth clubs and community centres gone?!. Its all right blaming the youths but when I was a child in the sixties, Mums and Dads took their children out, and most of them were in some kind of club or another after school or in the early evening. Parents, for whatever reason have stopped taking their children out to places, this teaches social skills.The schools have lost discipline,Unemployment creates its own problems. All leading to frustration,lack of money,lack of self esteem,hence crime,viciousness,eventually murder. So please Mr Brown come out of your bed of cotton wool and smell the coffee. Back the children in this country or total anarchy ensues.Carol Kennedy.
Britain needs to grow a pair and get tough!!!!! Every politician in the country is a coward, and kudos to brave columnists like carole malone and the others who speak the damn truth without a moments hesitation.
BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!! Scare our children into being good, until they put down the knives and guns and teach them to behave the way we bloody well should do.
Fear and terrorism is the perfect way to control today's youth, and i bet they wouldn't act so tough if they were faced with the death penalty.
Wow - I am amazed at how many comments there are here and how sad, horrifying and frightening they are. I was at the final Roadshow with my 20 year old daughter. She set up a facebook group after her brother, my son, was stabbed five times in the back 2 weeks after his 21st birthday. He survived - Lucky we are told but the only thing that makes us feel that way is how many are dying!?? He isnt 'lucky' to be suffering the mental trauma that he now lives with, the numbness in his arm and the pain in his back that has prevented him from continuing his beloved sport football. He isnt lucky to have found himself being stabbed whilst trying to get up from the floor as a gang surrounded him for - trying to save another. As so often seems to be the case we hear about innocents who are simply trying to intervene when othres are behaving barbarically. I hope he wont do that again, that is SAD to say and I know I would find it hard to ignore someone being attacked, anywhere, anytime.
I feel very sad for those who are unfortunate to be living somewhere where these gangs are taking over. Where the mentality is taking over and the country is lagging behind unable to find appropriate ways to stop this. At the debate a young mother talked of her son being stabbed right outside her gate and having to wear a thick coat to cover his uniform and they as a family were in constant fear of it happening again. The kids who would be guilty of this would not be so different from other people's kids but they live in an envirmonment that doesnt inhibit violence. Too many people keep talking about bringing back captial punishment, about hitting and hurting children - in what way does hitting and causing injury to children help them to understand not to go out into the world and not hit or hurt anyone else??? That is where the madness exists. We are not talking about a minor smack either, these people want to hurt their kids as they beleive that is the only way to deter them from behaving badly - WRONG!!!! Hitting and hurting and putting down and humiliating your kids just teaches them 'self loathing'. When they have no respect for themselves its easier to have no respect for anyone else. Teach respect - and stop kidding yourselves its the same thing as teaching FEAR or VIOLENCE and ANGER!
Rant over - I sincerely hope that many will attend the Peoples March this Sept - you really can show your support and determination to force government and those in power to Make the Changes NOW!
I myself am a teenager and i am currently in England as I am visiting friends and relatives, I however live in asia which is a place If eel very safe and have plenty to do, therefore knife crime and violence amongst teenagers is not that commen.
As I had recently visited some friends, I can understand why knive crime has risen so dramatically. The obvious reason is due to the lack of activities for teenagers in smaller towns which is what I have experienced. Throughout my visit, The most exciting and affordable thing we could all do was sit in a park. There were no youth clubs with seating areas, food courts, cinemas, etc.. where gangs could begin to socialize and perhaps overcome their differences(which is usually why gang fights occur). There were many various parks in the same area but one day, we were kicked out for being over 12 by the police. Where else were we supposed to go?
I was also very shocked as it was also the first time I had experienced the closest thing to danger, an attempted mugging by a youth who ended up stealing my friends ciggerettes as well as threatening to "smash his face in"-luckily he left us alone.
Another thing I have noticed, is the lack of security. In asia, it is very often to see patrol police every 5-10 minuits wherever you are and police stations are open 24/7. As I have discussed this issue with my friends, I had asked how often police patrol the town. The answer was only on a friday night and that the police station was usually shut by 9pm. How can people expect to feel safe?
What we need are more police patrols to intimidate teenage gangs as well as protect civilians. Teenagers also need a cheaper and a wider choice of activities to participate in with their friends. As well as introducing harsher punishments, counciling for people who are involved with violence. Of course, these suggestions will not be enough to perminatly remove the unfortunate violence in this country.
It is however down to the parents to why teens are behaving like this as I can see the significant difference between educated and non-educated parents. My mother is very educated, and this is why I am an ambitious and educated child. This does however come down to the society we grow up in. I
t is also quite sad how this country has come to the extent of having to be 18 to buy plastic knives and forks- this is only something we can see in england and is very unfortunate- it must be solved.
As with everything else with this so called labour goverment,they blame everything else but the right reason. All it needs is some respect and discipline bringing back into society, not so called bans, or other knee jerk methhods. Lets have proper police back on our streets. No not more of Blunketts plastic plods, lets have policeman like days gone by six foot plus tall and built like brick out houses. This would then intimidate the louts and thugs who roam the streets looking for trouble, instead of the other way round .Because nowdays these idiots have no fear of todays Labour party`s pollitical correct policing methods.
The trouble is prisons are no longer no good as they're becoming more and more like a holiday camp. The parents are also to blame - why didn't they teach them right from wrong when the kids were minors? I understand some kids do come from troubled homes but is that really an excuse to carry around a weapon - a weapon that could, and does kill another human being. Why is it innocent young people are killed for someone else’s belief that if you carry a knife you must be ‘hard’? Why should we walk around fearing for our lives that one day we should get stabbed?
What punishment is good enough for someone who goes out and kills another human being for no apparent reason? They will have to live with it themselves knowing they killed a probably innocent person, thinking of all the upset and hurt they’ve caused the family.
You, me, the person walking across the street could be the next victim of knife crime. It’s time to save our streets. What kind of world are we living in where teenagers as young as thirteen some of them walk around with weapons that are a liable threat to someone’s life?
I think that they should make jail tougher. No luxuries allowed. No TVs in cells. They should be made to do tough army exercises every day as a punishment not roam around a cell all day watching tele. It’s such a good deal in prison now a days that criminals actually go back for more. Military discipline could also be introduced. The person carrying the knife should also be sentenced for just carrying a knife. It’s not acceptable and it should be stopped immediately.
hi,I agree to david H ouer goverment hasent got the right law of crime ,we should have bak the electrik chair in this country ,for who that do the killing rape.the goverment should now take messger for crime of vilonce guns and knifes attack and kidnaps of children the Mandatrory minum between 5 to 10 yrs prison we neet to get does of the street where is ouer human rights in this country to live in freedom i like to walke save out my door at any time . we have good ouer rights too we pay tax ,we vote and hope this law is going better but nohting happen . ps we should take ouer owen law in hand as the goverment dont do nohting abt the war in crime to live in this underworld we are crying out for help ouer future kids wont have a life if the goverment dont step in now to change the law ,war of crime
the goverment is to soft in crime,and law, incl the police,myselfe I have been the victim of criminal conduct,and i cant say that the police hasent been helpfull to me they rather let the crimanal lose instet take step to juctic of crime. myselfe i live in the uk four no of yrs iam german and i cant say that this coutry is safe by law or the goverment. under age kids are walking late on the street vandalisum ,blowing cars up attack folks,burglary folkes propertys. 1000%the lokal policehave got the resindenal record who course the crime.we also have got police informer they get of the crime by the police whn they past on information for diffrent matters so is that the right law ?????
Regarding littered streets, the root cause of the problem is two fold. First we have a lot of people who do not care about leaving litter anywhere. Then we have government both local and national who bring out proposals to limit the amount of rubbish you can put in your bin and then try to have a fortnightly collection. This causes more people to dump rubbish as it will just be left uncollected by the council. Also when litter is reported to the council, they generally do nothing about it.
So much pain. So much loss. This is a road that goes nowhere. If maybe we can reach out to the young kids, tell them it’s not cool to have knife. Some self respect is all they search for. If maybe, we talk to them, tell them there is love in this world. I think they are listening, but all they hear is the sound of the street, empty and lonely, full of fear and self protection. So my message, is simple, you are not alone, there is another way.
There used to be a saying 'if you don't want to do the time don't do the crime', it was a good message, simple but concisely placing the responsibility with the perpetrator where it belonged, and it implied the time in prison would be relevant to the crime committed.
Unfortunately New Labour's message is 'if you want to do the crime but don't want to do the time just go ahead because you won't have to'.
I think the News of the World should tell Jacqui Smith to go away and only come back when she takes responsibility for her and her government's failings and actually puts in the tough measures needed to tackle violent crime.
What a bloody cheek Jacqui Smith has. Because of her party's decision to implement human rights act and other ludicrous laws, there is basically no deterrent aginst crime. Jails are cushy and offer better living conditions than some areas of the UK. Its all very well blaiming judges for leniant sentences but they are only following laws set by the government. If Labour put as much time, effort and funds into stamping out knife crime, as it has into anti-racism, equal opportunitys for foreigners homosexuals etc,anti-smoking/alchohol and speed camera then maybe Britain would'nt resemble an African republic or South Central LA. Clearly time is running out for Labour already but after years of promising to listen to the public, Labour don't want to acknowledge that they have basically failed the UK on this issue amongst others and would rather carpet perceived racists, smoker, drivers, homophobes and any non left wing types. Mandatory 10 year sentences for carrying knives, in a tough prison would at least make people think twice about carrying knives. Pretty simple isn't it and i'm no rocket scientist!
im a 53 year old man , during my school years i had the cane i had respect for my elders i feared the police i respected my parents, now days the minority of youths have no respect they have no fear of the police they have no respect for there parents,, i belive a curfew for youths up to the age of 17 would be the awnser a id card issued to youths from the age of 5 upwards to 17 these id cards to be logged at every police stations computer have holding containers so if there caught out after curfew there taken to these holding containers and there parents told to come and collect there kids ,, take away the childs benifit for a month if there caught out on the street , be damned with the human rights act forget asbos forget prisons ( unless theres been a stabbing) forget national service it wont work if any one saw bad lads army there was little respect there towards the officers in charge
the parents of these so called angels who run riot in the street should be made resonsable
How dare she!!! How dare Jaqui Smith say she is commited to the SOS campaign! She is the root of this problem, She is denying that there is a problem and a knife culture. How dare she! She is a 2 face hypocrite just like the rest of the government!
carring knives, gun,etc,means only one thing, and it is not to protect yourself, you know what they can do if you use the weapon in question, you kill someone you know the intent was there when you carry, so i say untill this government sit down and think about the threat of the death pelenty been brought back no one will ever be able to do anything about this killing culture
To be honest i really dont have much to say, the only thing i would say is thatthe reason, youths these days are causing so much trouble and doing bad thing to earn their money is because the dont get the opportunity to work they leave or get kicked out of college and thats it for them they get in to bad things e.g selling drugs, causing trouble if Gordon Brown wants the crime level to go down the he should help get jobs for these youths. once they get the opportunity to work and earn money im sure the crime level would go down, if youths dont get opportunity to work and gain experience how are the going to get experience to find a job to work. its not just for youths its mainly for everyone if you dont get the chance to work and learn practually then how else are you going to learn. i personally thing this issue should be raised and help these people to get the chance to work and earn money instead of selling drugs and geting in to trouble.
I apologise for posting twice on this matter, however, in the light of so many of those people affected by knife crime being absolutely desperate for answers to solving the problem, it is perhaps worth giving careful consideration to a simple philosophy: It is often a lot easier to change the things you can change than change the things you can’t.
For instance, giving whole life sentences or introducing the death penalty, won’t reduce offending if there isn’t a single country in the world where life sentences and death penalty reduces crime. Look at America!
Increasing stop and search powers by the police also will not halt knife as youngsters will merely find a way round the measures: Hiding weapons outdoors or paying someone to plant weapons in certain places doesn’t take much for youngsters to think of.
Bringing back old-fashioned “discipline” in the classroom and home has been mentioned too, nonetheless, it can’t really change anything because there will be an equal number of people in bygone days who did not receive discipline but did not commit crime. In other words, we assume that a good clip round the ear will force someone to change their ways, however, there will be an equal number of people who changed their ways without a good belting.
Conscription can’t work if you accept that morale in the armed forces has never been lower, while curfews merely punish parents who are already unable to cope with their children. If parents can’t cope then putting the fox in charge of the chickens serves only to make an already bad situation worse.
What can work, on the other hand, is accepting that there is only one person ultimately responsible for carrying a knife and that is the offender them self. Only the person carrying the knife can change their mindset to become a more responsible individual, and this change is happening in many small initiatives across the country. Youngsters involved in criminality are been taken under the wings of mentors who can give youngsters the confidence to think “differently” about their behaviour. It’s easy. Interested parents and volunteers can establish community groups and begin a dialogue with youngsters in a meaningful way which encourages youngster to feel part of the same community, not separate from it.
I recently placed bail conditions on 2 youths; at the time their parents believed them to be just what was needed -a curfew between 2100 - 0700 hrs, these kids (14-16)were part of agroup of 6 who broke into a house (not knowing the police were inside, dispite the car being outside!)
The parents are now fed up of having their little brats inside between the agreed times and are now complaining in order to have the conditions lifted.
I believe that people have a right not to be burgled! Ferral youths should have restrictions placed upon them if they cannot behave in a manner consistant with the norms of society.
Mum and Dad are now forced to supervise their child and they don't like it! Ha, like I care! as long as they are not out commiting crimes then I've done my little bit to help reduce the adverse effects there kids have on other.
The message I send is commit a crime in my area and if I can remand you then I will! if not expect very stringent bail conditions - villian don't like seeing me when they come into custody. if only the courts had a similar impact.
dear sir,
stop and search is a must,whether you are white, black,yellow, or green person ,if police feel that a person,or persons,are acting suspiciously,then stop and search--the police officer,will ask the person concerned,are you carrying a weapon? if so hand it over,l will confiscate the weapon,and l will take your personal details,if you are caught carrying a weapon a second time,you will go to prison,-or if the person says he is not carrying a weapon,the police officer will warn the person,that if he is searched and a weapon is found,then the person will be automatically arrested,and put in prison.it is so simple.
mr b harris
stevenage herts
Knife crime these days is a disgrace! Earlier this year i lost the most precious thing i had in my life, my boyfriend and father of my unborn child Paul Gilbert. Lock them all up and throw away the key, the only life sentence is for the victims and there familys, they go to jail 15 years is life these days but our taxes pay for them to have 3 meals a day and freeview boxes! everything needs to be changed!
Give us back the right to punish our kids, and put punishment back into schools,as a mum myself i do not smack my children but the threat of doin so is more than enough. This was brought about by the middle class do gooder's, that have probably not spent a whole week with there own kids due to home helps,this brilliant idea has made things how they are today,what chance have our youngster's got when we are bein punished because our kids will not go to school? our hands are tied, as for knife crime, my motto would be, " USE A KNIFE, GET LIFE" you would get a min 5 yr sentence if stopped carrying a gun, a knife can kill too, infact i think to use a knife is worse, to actually feel a knife punture somebody's body? and then to do it again and again is pure evil, you know exactly what your doin.
Absent fathers and family breakdowns are not the causes of knife crime if only one fifth of crimes are committed by youngsters (adults commit the other four fifths). Hence, statistically speaking, the more contact youngsters have with adults, the more, not less, likely they are to come across criminality. That’s simple.
Another aspect of social behaviour not often brought in to the equation when discussing knife crime, is how the relationship between family and family, neighbour and neighbour, public and their service providers and employee and employer has also broken down dramatically. Families often have little confidence in discussing problems they are experiencing, because, as research has shown, other family members sometimes think the cry for help may be to seek or attention or bring about unwanted public attention once the news gets out. Also, since the inception of local authority ‘anti-social behaviour units’ it has now become commonplace for neighbours to simply report children for the least bit thing -no wonder then that 80pc of complaints received are about children and not the four fifths of adults who commit crime. Children have become stigmatised and communities have thus become a breeding ground for hatred between neighbours. Over the last decade or so the public have therefore lost faith in local authorities and the police. This, while ‘partnership working’ (I do loath that piece of modern cant) has seen the morale of staff drop dramatically by constantly being subjected to change after change. There is no real partnership working in the true sense of the term, not least because communities as a whole have switched off to what decision makers and politicians are saying. The truth is that communities could not care less about what is happening, and that, I’m afraid, is the stark reality.
The only way forward I can see from my decades of working in the voluntary sector, is for decision makers to be begin a process of instilling a sense of confidence in communities that knife crime and the underlying social problems with be addressed in a more meaningful way. I note with great interest that David Cameron is saying that he wants to bring ‘responsibility’ back into to the heart of the family agenda, yet is short on words about how this might be achieved. Please tell me how this will be achieved? Can someone tell me how the process of encouraging everyone in communities to discuss this will take place?
I live in Beckton, east london. I've been at my address for over 14years, slowly over the years it's changed so much. Fights, Knives and even Shotings are happening down our street. The kids that come down here have NO RESPECT, they spit, or swear at a lot of the residents. Some people will not walk down our road. I unfortunatly put sole blame on the parants, most of them are to lazy to keep them in control. They need to take control of there kids, i have 3 boys age 21,19 and 14. They Dont smoke, and have NEVER been in trouble with the police,ive got them to be open with me and ive been open with them. I have been strict with them but its worked. I use to be able to go anywhere safely, but now i can't!!!. The goverment REALLY needs to sort something out.
WHAT CHANCE HAVE WE GOT DRUG DEALERS ARE THE ROOT OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS THE GOVT CANT EVEN CONTROL DRUGS IN JAILS THEY LIVE IN EVERY STREET THE POLICE KNOW THEM BUT DO NOTHING THEY ARE KILLING AND MAKEING KIDS GO OFF THERE HEADS INSTEAD OF PAYING MILLIONS FOR HEALTHY EATING ANDSMOKEING GET RID OF THE DEALERS COME ON LIVE IN OUR WORLD ALL TONY AND JACK DONE FOR US WAS SEND YOUNG MEN TO WAR AND FLOOD SCOTLAND WITH IMAGRINTS TO BEG ON OUR STREETS AND SELL THE BIG ISSUE WE CANT GET A HOUSE BUT JACK TOLD US WE NEED THEM WERE IS JACK AND TONY NOW AFTER LEAVEING A LAWLESS SINKING SHIP HELP US NOW
I think we should bring all major cities to a standstill and reclaim our streets. I will happily forgo a days pay to march and show this government that we mean business. We need to show our strength in numbers and demand action.
i also think that we should bring back national service and i dont mean send all the criminal to war, it should be all young men once they have left school/college if they have no job to go to then they go into the army. and stop dishing out dole money to people who are fit to work make them do street cleaning or something stop giving all the money away. and stop letting imigrants in we have too many now and they should not be entitled to free money and houses and healthcare.... if we went to their country we dont get anything free. its all part of the reason why this country is in the state it is today. i would love to take my young family and emigrate but i cant afford to, im scared for the future and what it holds for my children.. i just hopes that the goverment actually does something here..
oh my god alot needs to change, fist of all bring back discipline in schools and i mean being caned or whatever, at the minute teachers have no control and no respect in schools cause kids think they are in charge and they know that teachers cant touch them so they give it the big i am i know i did too and i know that if there was caning in schools when i was there i definately would have listened more and maybe left school with some qualifications instead of messing around all the time. also change our pathetic prisons, people dont mind going to prison in this country as there is nothing to be scared of, great gyms, tv's playstations great are prisons are.. that needs to stop take a leaf and out thailand and thats how our prisons should be you should be very scared to go to prison. gorget human rights as soon as someone commits such a violent or disgusting crime there human rights should be forgot about, simple as that. and forget building more prisons just bring back capital punishment and kill and the cold blooded killers and peodophiles as these people are no good in society. if you know 100% that they have done the crime then hang them, and all these little thugs who do petty crimes flog them with bamboo sticks like they do abroad. id go to the market square on a sunday and watch that with pleasure and im sure it would deter younger kids. come on england we are far too soft on our unruley kids and criminals. and lets forget about age as well if they are old enough to do the crime then they are old enough
to do the time and that means treat them like an abult if they think they want to play with the big boys. its time to get tough.....
Our streets are lost and will never be ours again till the government faces up to the fact that the human rights law only gives comfort to those who are criminals
There is a simple answer to all of this knife/gun culture one that may seem harsh the government may be a bit hesitant about & that is the British army , think about it the army patrolling the worst affected city's there is too much of this violence all too often I pick up the paper on many occasions & see this violence & I'm based overseas what are we actually fighting for a country that is crumbling many of a time we are not doing allot in day to day life I think these individuals would soon sort themselves out something needs to be done & now before this becomes too big of a problem.
Right everybody wants the knife crime to stop well the goverment are to blame. i have spokemn to alot of young kids in my area (north london edmonton)and they all wish to work and not to be on the streets but always get refuse jobs now this country is all about money and nice things. if you cant get a job and you want nice things you have to find a way of getting it, which leads me onto drugs. selling drugs you can never be refused but with this there is no such thing as geeting sacked but to get killed if you do the wrong thing the goverment need to consatrate on giving these young kids jobs which they are willing to do belive it or not. this way this young kids can make money meet new people from different postal codes which is the one of main reason for knife crime.
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Two police officers beaten up in London by up to 30 youths is the final nail in the coffin surely. Police officers should always be at an advantage on the streets and yet, your regular police constable does not carry a gun???
This attack on the two London officers would not have happened if they had firearms strapped to their sides, and with the countries level of violence spiralling out of control, the subject of cops carrying guns seems to be taboo?
MONEY should not be the reason that:
- Police officers cannot have guns as standard.
- Police recruits are having to wait up to TWO YEARS before they can even begin training.
- Police officers across the country can often find themselves short of vehicles to patrol their beats, reducing their capabilities to get to jobs quickly and in numbers. Some forces cannot even afford to put their drivers through training.
Money should be thrown at things like this. The police should have every tool available to them to police our streets effectively. I have the highest admiration for every police force in the country as they put themselves on the line, daily, and make use of the insufficient budgets they are given.
Put this along side the farcical sentences now given to the ciminals that are caught and are we ever going to feel safe on our streets again???
i am 15 and have a little sister who is 19 months. before i knew that the world was a wierd place anyway but now im scared for her when she grows up that she might get stabbed or something. things should be changed quickly. atcually they should never have started like this. its just heartbreaking to think of al of those young poeple who lost thier knives the the gangster culture whether they were involved or not.
I think it is time the people of the uk take a look at the history of N Ireland, I left the province because of gun and knife crime, my brother in law was murdered, my husband attacked his brothers killer with a knife and received an 11 year jail sentance, the murderer did not die when my husband fought with him so he and his brothers came looking for my 17 yearold son, they cut his throat, carved his face and head with stanley knives. Thank God for the person that helped my son and he did not die, but myself and his brother and sister had to flee the province because they did not finish him off, they tried too, I will never forget that night until God calls me and i feel it everytime another person appears in the media, i have watched violence manifest it self in many guises in the provience over the last 35 years and now i watch it taking hold in england. northern Irelands terrorists started of in gangs and look what happened to us, please dont let it get hold here.
I struggled long and hard on my own these last 9 years to keep my sons on the straight and narrow, I have two well balanced sons now, so I know it can be done, I did not have help from anyone, but made my children stay within their boundaries.
I also think what a bad idea it is making the attackers face their victim, that is another badge of honour for them to wear. National service is a better idea and then when they have served in the warzones their out look might be a lot different.
I will do anything i can to stop these terrible, heartbreaking offences been commited as i know first hand what it is all about. A Knife does not belong to any religion or gang, dont put it into a members hands, just put it in a drawer.
Keep safe, this world can be a wonderful place, it took me a long time to think like that again.
I do NOT agree with taking people caught having performed knife crime to visit other victims, if a person is capable these actions it would probably be enjoyment for them.
Give them a good hammering and then lock them up somewhere for a LONG time, to give them the biggest fright of their lives. This they may be able to understand fact's that you cannot mend like in the video games played so much,is not reality.
Never mind building more prisons to mammby pammby the problem of this country. The excuses for PEOPLE that like to booze, shoot, fight, stab and make a general nuicence of themselves in our towns and cities, should NOT be locked up and enjoy the privilege of the luxuries they now receive in jail, but transported to a barren island, send them to iraq or put the on an old ship and leave them in the ocean,let them live and fend for themselves , where they can fight as much as they like, that way the rest of the decent law abiding citizens would not be afraid to walk the streets again. It would also help to stop our jails from being overcrowded, saving millions of pounds on building new prison
i am 14 years old and i keep saying that i am going to get stabbed next but i know that i ain't going to do and now they are going to do a petition now it's to late to do that thay should of done a long time ago as soon as the first time a stabbing was done there a bit late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am 18 years old and already planned my funeral, i get 3 phone calls a night of my mam and my brother to make sure im still alive, i have put alot of weight on since im getting lifts everywhere. My cousin got stabbed and her little girl seen it all and her dad found her 6year old call trying to stab herself with a butter knife then one night she found one sharper now she is gone, this is horrible and the world is messed up if i could have my say i would make sure that there would be change! i tried joining the army to get away from this crazy world but i didnt pass my medical so my life ends when i walk out the house and everyday i tell my mam, my brother and granddparents that i love them very much and i will see them one day if i dont return - we should have to live like that!!!
THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE FERAL YOUTHS IS TO STOP AND SEARCH,ALSO TOO MUCH MONEY IS GIVEN OUT IN BENEFITS & SOME NOT ALL OF THE PARENTS DO NOT HAVE TO WORK AS THEY ARE BETTER OFF LIVING OFF OF US TAXPAYERS WHO ARE VICTIMISED FOR WORKING.INSTEAD OF BUILDING MORE PRISONS BRING BACK SOME FORM OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER,WITH TODAYS TECHNOLOGY THIS WOULD RULE OUT MISTAKES.DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES,DO AWAY WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING THESE CRIMES AND THINK MORE ABOUT THE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES,THIS GOVERNMENT PROMISED TO SORT CRIME OUT ALL THEY HAVE MANAGED IS TO MAKE IT MUCH WORSE,ARE THEY IN THE SAME WORLD AS US ORDINARY PEOPLE?IF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS NOT BOUGHT BACK THEN THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD SET UP BOOT CAMPS AND MAKE THEM AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN THE SAME SHOULD BE DONE IN PRISONS,IF THEY WERE HARDER AND HAD NO GYMS,SNOOKER ETC THEN A LOT OF FIRST TIME OFFENDERS WOULD NOT WANT TO GO BACK,IF THIS SEEMS TO HARSH FOR SOME PEOPLE THEN PERHAPS WE SHOULD BRING BACK THE STOCKS AND PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THEM
I think the people who do these things to others is down right disgusting! How on earth do they think they can get away with such appalling behaviour, and who do they think they are?! I can't imagine the pain and suffering these families must go through when mindless yobs carry out these sick acts against their poor defenseless victims. I just hope that the government does do something effective enough, before this farce just gets too out of hand!
its just an image you try to portray so you can look tough everyday.you never smile laugh,or joke in case the other gang you provoke.the gangs on the seets need to dispers and get your lifes o gether before you get hurt.the young thats died in NOTTS what reasons because gang culture ROTTS.whos to say your gangs tougher than mine does it really matter at the end of the line.your only given one chance in LIFE so dont waste it with gun or a knife,enjoy your kidult years and strife to do good ,then we will all get regards the neighbourhood.
Human rights ? Thugs should have the same rights that they give their victims NONE!!!
Bring back the birch and hanging, make the punishment fit the crime.
Life should mean life. Then perhaps our streets will be safe once more.
I have lived in Singapore, Malaysia and Saudi Arabia during my working life and never did I feel threatened or insecure in any way, simply because of their harsh sentencing, the crime rate was very low.
Just take a look at Joe Arpaio
Maricopa County Sheriff, Arizona.
prisoners in his jail don't come back a second time. He dishes out very harsh punishment but keeps getting re-elected year after year.
Law abiding citizens shouldn't have a problem with any kind of punishment meted out, it is only the intended law breakers themselves that don't want to be hurt and the "do gooders" who try to justify their jobs defending these thugs.
Wake up Britain make our voices heard! We must not tolerate this behaviour any longer.
I thought it was illegal to carry weapons in the UK? What is going on? I am afraid we have got to stand up together and provide a better place for our children. Why should we put up with unacceptable behaviors that upset our neighborhoods. There is right and wrong with choice and consequence. Unfortunately the wrong side is prevailing without consequence and eroding our lives of decency,commonsense and consideration of others.
My son was stabbed 13 times and died 3 weeks later in hospital. He was 28 years old and the person who done it was 30. The jury found him not guilty of murder and there was no manslaughter charge put to him, so he now walks free! My son left a partner and 4 children. I feel the crown prosecution service let my son down. My son was unarmed and there was no signs that he had been in a fight, they had all been drinking and a fight broke out between the 30 year old and a 17 year old, my son intervened and received the stab wounds in his back, neck and hands where he tried to protect himself. Where is the justice for us? Our lives will never be the same again.
What is needed is a fitting punishment for the crimes these mindless thugs execute. They no longer worry about any figure of authority. Prisons and youth offender institutes are a waste of time. I agree with one of the other comments which is a boot camp type place. It would be cheaper or at least as cheap for them to be properly educated in how to live in a normal environment instead of being so selfish and to learn to respect for themselves and others. They should have nothing, and if they want to eat or smoke then they should earn it for themselves. Why are their human rights even considered? They gave them up when they decided to waste another human beings life for fun or respect.
Perhaps it might make them think that nothing comes easy especially for those of us who work and try and live a normal life. They should be made to pay back something to the community by working, dressed as clowns or something else just as humiliating just like the chain gang in America. I am so sick of hearing about their rights. Parents should be made to go to parenting classes otherwise face prison themselves. I know some families struggle because their children are running wild maybe their kids have got in with the wrong crowd and they need proper help but of course anything parents try and do is not supported by the government. Something is going terribly wrong.I worry everytime one of my children walk out of the door. Make them pay! Stop being so soft on offenders. More police are needed with more rights to do whatever is needed, if the offender gets hurt, tough!If the government doesn't do anything soon normal, decent people will take matters in to their own hands. The justice system is a joke it needs to wake up to what is going on in the real world.
what is happening to our country, it is so so sad, i have a 4 year old little boy and i am terrified for him to grow up in this hell at the moment country.what is wrong with the goverment? they soon put a stop to smokin in pubs and petty things like that, get your prioritys right, life should mean LIFE!! Personally i think hanging should be brought back but because of all the do gooders i know that this will never happen, if these discusting thugs want to go and kill people send them to national service and let them fight real men, i could garantee they would not last 5 minutes, this has to be sorted now it is such a scary life at the moment
There needs to be serious consequences for your actions, When i was younger i thought twice about what i was going to do because i knew that if my Dad found out i would be in a lot of trouble and more than likely get a smack when he found out, for lots of personal reasons i ended up screwing up my life and close members of my family and ended up in prison aboard for 2 and a half years, it was the most challenging, hardest, self discovering time in my life, with none of the luxuries that were at home, just the basics. That in it's self made me want to change - simply because i valued everything i had before that time. Prisons should not be how they are now in the UK, it's not seen as a hard time or challenging, people need to understand there are horrible consequences for horrible unacceptable actions. Something needs to be done about the parenting rights, not just the children’s rights, this country is getting so messed up it's sad and frustrating.
I can remember when the children at all ages had something to do!. Where have all the youth clubs and community centres gone?!. Its all right blaming the youths but when I was a child in the sixties, Mums and Dads took their children out, and most of them were in some kind of club or another after school or in the early evening. Parents, for whatever reason have stopped taking their children out to places, this teaches social skills.The schools have lost discipline,Unemployment creates its own problems. All leading to frustration,lack of money,lack of self esteem,hence crime,viciousness,eventually murder. So please Mr Brown come out of your bed of cotton wool and smell the coffee. Back the children in this country or total anarchy ensues.Carol Kennedy.
Britain needs to grow a pair and get tough!!!!! Every politician in the country is a coward, and kudos to brave columnists like carole malone and the others who speak the damn truth without a moments hesitation.
BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!! Scare our children into being good, until they put down the knives and guns and teach them to behave the way we bloody well should do.
Fear and terrorism is the perfect way to control today's youth, and i bet they wouldn't act so tough if they were faced with the death penalty.
Wow - I am amazed at how many comments there are here and how sad, horrifying and frightening they are. I was at the final Roadshow with my 20 year old daughter. She set up a facebook group after her brother, my son, was stabbed five times in the back 2 weeks after his 21st birthday. He survived - Lucky we are told but the only thing that makes us feel that way is how many are dying!?? He isnt 'lucky' to be suffering the mental trauma that he now lives with, the numbness in his arm and the pain in his back that has prevented him from continuing his beloved sport football. He isnt lucky to have found himself being stabbed whilst trying to get up from the floor as a gang surrounded him for - trying to save another. As so often seems to be the case we hear about innocents who are simply trying to intervene when othres are behaving barbarically. I hope he wont do that again, that is SAD to say and I know I would find it hard to ignore someone being attacked, anywhere, anytime.
I feel very sad for those who are unfortunate to be living somewhere where these gangs are taking over. Where the mentality is taking over and the country is lagging behind unable to find appropriate ways to stop this. At the debate a young mother talked of her son being stabbed right outside her gate and having to wear a thick coat to cover his uniform and they as a family were in constant fear of it happening again. The kids who would be guilty of this would not be so different from other people's kids but they live in an envirmonment that doesnt inhibit violence. Too many people keep talking about bringing back captial punishment, about hitting and hurting children - in what way does hitting and causing injury to children help them to understand not to go out into the world and not hit or hurt anyone else??? That is where the madness exists. We are not talking about a minor smack either, these people want to hurt their kids as they beleive that is the only way to deter them from behaving badly - WRONG!!!! Hitting and hurting and putting down and humiliating your kids just teaches them 'self loathing'. When they have no respect for themselves its easier to have no respect for anyone else. Teach respect - and stop kidding yourselves its the same thing as teaching FEAR or VIOLENCE and ANGER!
Rant over - I sincerely hope that many will attend the Peoples March this Sept - you really can show your support and determination to force government and those in power to Make the Changes NOW!
I myself am a teenager and i am currently in England as I am visiting friends and relatives, I however live in asia which is a place If eel very safe and have plenty to do, therefore knife crime and violence amongst teenagers is not that commen.
As I had recently visited some friends, I can understand why knive crime has risen so dramatically. The obvious reason is due to the lack of activities for teenagers in smaller towns which is what I have experienced. Throughout my visit, The most exciting and affordable thing we could all do was sit in a park. There were no youth clubs with seating areas, food courts, cinemas, etc.. where gangs could begin to socialize and perhaps overcome their differences(which is usually why gang fights occur). There were many various parks in the same area but one day, we were kicked out for being over 12 by the police. Where else were we supposed to go?
I was also very shocked as it was also the first time I had experienced the closest thing to danger, an attempted mugging by a youth who ended up stealing my friends ciggerettes as well as threatening to "smash his face in"-luckily he left us alone.
Another thing I have noticed, is the lack of security. In asia, it is very often to see patrol police every 5-10 minuits wherever you are and police stations are open 24/7. As I have discussed this issue with my friends, I had asked how often police patrol the town. The answer was only on a friday night and that the police station was usually shut by 9pm. How can people expect to feel safe?
What we need are more police patrols to intimidate teenage gangs as well as protect civilians. Teenagers also need a cheaper and a wider choice of activities to participate in with their friends. As well as introducing harsher punishments, counciling for people who are involved with violence. Of course, these suggestions will not be enough to perminatly remove the unfortunate violence in this country.
It is however down to the parents to why teens are behaving like this as I can see the significant difference between educated and non-educated parents. My mother is very educated, and this is why I am an ambitious and educated child. This does however come down to the society we grow up in. I
t is also quite sad how this country has come to the extent of having to be 18 to buy plastic knives and forks- this is only something we can see in england and is very unfortunate- it must be solved.
As with everything else with this so called labour goverment,they blame everything else but the right reason. All it needs is some respect and discipline bringing back into society, not so called bans, or other knee jerk methhods. Lets have proper police back on our streets. No not more of Blunketts plastic plods, lets have policeman like days gone by six foot plus tall and built like brick out houses. This would then intimidate the louts and thugs who roam the streets looking for trouble, instead of the other way round .Because nowdays these idiots have no fear of todays Labour party`s pollitical correct policing methods.
The trouble is prisons are no longer no good as they're becoming more and more like a holiday camp. The parents are also to blame - why didn't they teach them right from wrong when the kids were minors? I understand some kids do come from troubled homes but is that really an excuse to carry around a weapon - a weapon that could, and does kill another human being. Why is it innocent young people are killed for someone else’s belief that if you carry a knife you must be ‘hard’? Why should we walk around fearing for our lives that one day we should get stabbed?
What punishment is good enough for someone who goes out and kills another human being for no apparent reason? They will have to live with it themselves knowing they killed a probably innocent person, thinking of all the upset and hurt they’ve caused the family.
You, me, the person walking across the street could be the next victim of knife crime. It’s time to save our streets. What kind of world are we living in where teenagers as young as thirteen some of them walk around with weapons that are a liable threat to someone’s life?
I think that they should make jail tougher. No luxuries allowed. No TVs in cells. They should be made to do tough army exercises every day as a punishment not roam around a cell all day watching tele. It’s such a good deal in prison now a days that criminals actually go back for more. Military discipline could also be introduced. The person carrying the knife should also be sentenced for just carrying a knife. It’s not acceptable and it should be stopped immediately.
Has been said before BRING BACK THE BIRCH!!!!
hi,I agree to david H ouer goverment hasent got the right law of crime ,we should have bak the electrik chair in this country ,for who that do the killing rape.the goverment should now take messger for crime of vilonce guns and knifes attack and kidnaps of children the Mandatrory minum between 5 to 10 yrs prison we neet to get does of the street where is ouer human rights in this country to live in freedom i like to walke save out my door at any time . we have good ouer rights too we pay tax ,we vote and hope this law is going better but nohting happen . ps we should take ouer owen law in hand as the goverment dont do nohting abt the war in crime to live in this underworld we are crying out for help ouer future kids wont have a life if the goverment dont step in now to change the law ,war of crime
the goverment is to soft in crime,and law, incl the police,myselfe I have been the victim of criminal conduct,and i cant say that the police hasent been helpfull to me they rather let the crimanal lose instet take step to juctic of crime. myselfe i live in the uk four no of yrs iam german and i cant say that this coutry is safe by law or the goverment. under age kids are walking late on the street vandalisum ,blowing cars up attack folks,burglary folkes propertys. 1000%the lokal policehave got the resindenal record who course the crime.we also have got police informer they get of the crime by the police whn they past on information for diffrent matters so is that the right law ?????
Regarding littered streets, the root cause of the problem is two fold. First we have a lot of people who do not care about leaving litter anywhere. Then we have government both local and national who bring out proposals to limit the amount of rubbish you can put in your bin and then try to have a fortnightly collection. This causes more people to dump rubbish as it will just be left uncollected by the council. Also when litter is reported to the council, they generally do nothing about it.
So much pain. So much loss. This is a road that goes nowhere. If maybe we can reach out to the young kids, tell them it’s not cool to have knife. Some self respect is all they search for. If maybe, we talk to them, tell them there is love in this world. I think they are listening, but all they hear is the sound of the street, empty and lonely, full of fear and self protection. So my message, is simple, you are not alone, there is another way.
There used to be a saying 'if you don't want to do the time don't do the crime', it was a good message, simple but concisely placing the responsibility with the perpetrator where it belonged, and it implied the time in prison would be relevant to the crime committed.
Unfortunately New Labour's message is 'if you want to do the crime but don't want to do the time just go ahead because you won't have to'.
I think the News of the World should tell Jacqui Smith to go away and only come back when she takes responsibility for her and her government's failings and actually puts in the tough measures needed to tackle violent crime.
What a bloody cheek Jacqui Smith has. Because of her party's decision to implement human rights act and other ludicrous laws, there is basically no deterrent aginst crime. Jails are cushy and offer better living conditions than some areas of the UK. Its all very well blaiming judges for leniant sentences but they are only following laws set by the government. If Labour put as much time, effort and funds into stamping out knife crime, as it has into anti-racism, equal opportunitys for foreigners homosexuals etc,anti-smoking/alchohol and speed camera then maybe Britain would'nt resemble an African republic or South Central LA. Clearly time is running out for Labour already but after years of promising to listen to the public, Labour don't want to acknowledge that they have basically failed the UK on this issue amongst others and would rather carpet perceived racists, smoker, drivers, homophobes and any non left wing types. Mandatory 10 year sentences for carrying knives, in a tough prison would at least make people think twice about carrying knives. Pretty simple isn't it and i'm no rocket scientist!
im a 53 year old man , during my school years i had the cane i had respect for my elders i feared the police i respected my parents, now days the minority of youths have no respect they have no fear of the police they have no respect for there parents,, i belive a curfew for youths up to the age of 17 would be the awnser a id card issued to youths from the age of 5 upwards to 17 these id cards to be logged at every police stations computer have holding containers so if there caught out after curfew there taken to these holding containers and there parents told to come and collect there kids ,, take away the childs benifit for a month if there caught out on the street , be damned with the human rights act forget asbos forget prisons ( unless theres been a stabbing) forget national service it wont work if any one saw bad lads army there was little respect there towards the officers in charge
the parents of these so called angels who run riot in the street should be made resonsable
How dare she!!! How dare Jaqui Smith say she is commited to the SOS campaign! She is the root of this problem, She is denying that there is a problem and a knife culture. How dare she! She is a 2 face hypocrite just like the rest of the government!
carring knives, gun,etc,means only one thing, and it is not to protect yourself, you know what they can do if you use the weapon in question, you kill someone you know the intent was there when you carry, so i say untill this government sit down and think about the threat of the death pelenty been brought back no one will ever be able to do anything about this killing culture
To be honest i really dont have much to say, the only thing i would say is thatthe reason, youths these days are causing so much trouble and doing bad thing to earn their money is because the dont get the opportunity to work they leave or get kicked out of college and thats it for them they get in to bad things e.g selling drugs, causing trouble if Gordon Brown wants the crime level to go down the he should help get jobs for these youths. once they get the opportunity to work and earn money im sure the crime level would go down, if youths dont get opportunity to work and gain experience how are the going to get experience to find a job to work. its not just for youths its mainly for everyone if you dont get the chance to work and learn practually then how else are you going to learn. i personally thing this issue should be raised and help these people to get the chance to work and earn money instead of selling drugs and geting in to trouble.
I apologise for posting twice on this matter, however, in the light of so many of those people affected by knife crime being absolutely desperate for answers to solving the problem, it is perhaps worth giving careful consideration to a simple philosophy: It is often a lot easier to change the things you can change than change the things you can’t.
For instance, giving whole life sentences or introducing the death penalty, won’t reduce offending if there isn’t a single country in the world where life sentences and death penalty reduces crime. Look at America!
Increasing stop and search powers by the police also will not halt knife as youngsters will merely find a way round the measures: Hiding weapons outdoors or paying someone to plant weapons in certain places doesn’t take much for youngsters to think of.
Bringing back old-fashioned “discipline” in the classroom and home has been mentioned too, nonetheless, it can’t really change anything because there will be an equal number of people in bygone days who did not receive discipline but did not commit crime. In other words, we assume that a good clip round the ear will force someone to change their ways, however, there will be an equal number of people who changed their ways without a good belting.
Conscription can’t work if you accept that morale in the armed forces has never been lower, while curfews merely punish parents who are already unable to cope with their children. If parents can’t cope then putting the fox in charge of the chickens serves only to make an already bad situation worse.
What can work, on the other hand, is accepting that there is only one person ultimately responsible for carrying a knife and that is the offender them self. Only the person carrying the knife can change their mindset to become a more responsible individual, and this change is happening in many small initiatives across the country. Youngsters involved in criminality are been taken under the wings of mentors who can give youngsters the confidence to think “differently” about their behaviour. It’s easy. Interested parents and volunteers can establish community groups and begin a dialogue with youngsters in a meaningful way which encourages youngster to feel part of the same community, not separate from it.
I recently placed bail conditions on 2 youths; at the time their parents believed them to be just what was needed -a curfew between 2100 - 0700 hrs, these kids (14-16)were part of agroup of 6 who broke into a house (not knowing the police were inside, dispite the car being outside!)
The parents are now fed up of having their little brats inside between the agreed times and are now complaining in order to have the conditions lifted.
I believe that people have a right not to be burgled! Ferral youths should have restrictions placed upon them if they cannot behave in a manner consistant with the norms of society.
Mum and Dad are now forced to supervise their child and they don't like it! Ha, like I care! as long as they are not out commiting crimes then I've done my little bit to help reduce the adverse effects there kids have on other.
The message I send is commit a crime in my area and if I can remand you then I will! if not expect very stringent bail conditions - villian don't like seeing me when they come into custody. if only the courts had a similar impact.
dear sir,
stop and search is a must,whether you are white, black,yellow, or green person ,if police feel that a person,or persons,are acting suspiciously,then stop and search--the police officer,will ask the person concerned,are you carrying a weapon? if so hand it over,l will confiscate the weapon,and l will take your personal details,if you are caught carrying a weapon a second time,you will go to prison,-or if the person says he is not carrying a weapon,the police officer will warn the person,that if he is searched and a weapon is found,then the person will be automatically arrested,and put in prison.it is so simple.
mr b harris
stevenage herts
Knife crime these days is a disgrace! Earlier this year i lost the most precious thing i had in my life, my boyfriend and father of my unborn child Paul Gilbert. Lock them all up and throw away the key, the only life sentence is for the victims and there familys, they go to jail 15 years is life these days but our taxes pay for them to have 3 meals a day and freeview boxes! everything needs to be changed!
Give us back the right to punish our kids, and put punishment back into schools,as a mum myself i do not smack my children but the threat of doin so is more than enough. This was brought about by the middle class do gooder's, that have probably not spent a whole week with there own kids due to home helps,this brilliant idea has made things how they are today,what chance have our youngster's got when we are bein punished because our kids will not go to school? our hands are tied, as for knife crime, my motto would be, " USE A KNIFE, GET LIFE" you would get a min 5 yr sentence if stopped carrying a gun, a knife can kill too, infact i think to use a knife is worse, to actually feel a knife punture somebody's body? and then to do it again and again is pure evil, you know exactly what your doin.
Absent fathers and family breakdowns are not the causes of knife crime if only one fifth of crimes are committed by youngsters (adults commit the other four fifths). Hence, statistically speaking, the more contact youngsters have with adults, the more, not less, likely they are to come across criminality. That’s simple.
Another aspect of social behaviour not often brought in to the equation when discussing knife crime, is how the relationship between family and family, neighbour and neighbour, public and their service providers and employee and employer has also broken down dramatically. Families often have little confidence in discussing problems they are experiencing, because, as research has shown, other family members sometimes think the cry for help may be to seek or attention or bring about unwanted public attention once the news gets out. Also, since the inception of local authority ‘anti-social behaviour units’ it has now become commonplace for neighbours to simply report children for the least bit thing -no wonder then that 80pc of complaints received are about children and not the four fifths of adults who commit crime. Children have become stigmatised and communities have thus become a breeding ground for hatred between neighbours. Over the last decade or so the public have therefore lost faith in local authorities and the police. This, while ‘partnership working’ (I do loath that piece of modern cant) has seen the morale of staff drop dramatically by constantly being subjected to change after change. There is no real partnership working in the true sense of the term, not least because communities as a whole have switched off to what decision makers and politicians are saying. The truth is that communities could not care less about what is happening, and that, I’m afraid, is the stark reality.
The only way forward I can see from my decades of working in the voluntary sector, is for decision makers to be begin a process of instilling a sense of confidence in communities that knife crime and the underlying social problems with be addressed in a more meaningful way. I note with great interest that David Cameron is saying that he wants to bring ‘responsibility’ back into to the heart of the family agenda, yet is short on words about how this might be achieved. Please tell me how this will be achieved? Can someone tell me how the process of encouraging everyone in communities to discuss this will take place?
I live in Beckton, east london. I've been at my address for over 14years, slowly over the years it's changed so much. Fights, Knives and even Shotings are happening down our street. The kids that come down here have NO RESPECT, they spit, or swear at a lot of the residents. Some people will not walk down our road. I unfortunatly put sole blame on the parants, most of them are to lazy to keep them in control. They need to take control of there kids, i have 3 boys age 21,19 and 14. They Dont smoke, and have NEVER been in trouble with the police,ive got them to be open with me and ive been open with them. I have been strict with them but its worked. I use to be able to go anywhere safely, but now i can't!!!. The goverment REALLY needs to sort something out.
WHAT CHANCE HAVE WE GOT DRUG DEALERS ARE THE ROOT OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS THE GOVT CANT EVEN CONTROL DRUGS IN JAILS THEY LIVE IN EVERY STREET THE POLICE KNOW THEM BUT DO NOTHING THEY ARE KILLING AND MAKEING KIDS GO OFF THERE HEADS INSTEAD OF PAYING MILLIONS FOR HEALTHY EATING ANDSMOKEING GET RID OF THE DEALERS COME ON LIVE IN OUR WORLD ALL TONY AND JACK DONE FOR US WAS SEND YOUNG MEN TO WAR AND FLOOD SCOTLAND WITH IMAGRINTS TO BEG ON OUR STREETS AND SELL THE BIG ISSUE WE CANT GET A HOUSE BUT JACK TOLD US WE NEED THEM WERE IS JACK AND TONY NOW AFTER LEAVEING A LAWLESS SINKING SHIP HELP US NOW
I think we should bring all major cities to a standstill and reclaim our streets. I will happily forgo a days pay to march and show this government that we mean business. We need to show our strength in numbers and demand action.
i also think that we should bring back national service and i dont mean send all the criminal to war, it should be all young men once they have left school/college if they have no job to go to then they go into the army. and stop dishing out dole money to people who are fit to work make them do street cleaning or something stop giving all the money away. and stop letting imigrants in we have too many now and they should not be entitled to free money and houses and healthcare.... if we went to their country we dont get anything free. its all part of the reason why this country is in the state it is today. i would love to take my young family and emigrate but i cant afford to, im scared for the future and what it holds for my children.. i just hopes that the goverment actually does something here..
oh my god alot needs to change, fist of all bring back discipline in schools and i mean being caned or whatever, at the minute teachers have no control and no respect in schools cause kids think they are in charge and they know that teachers cant touch them so they give it the big i am i know i did too and i know that if there was caning in schools when i was there i definately would have listened more and maybe left school with some qualifications instead of messing around all the time. also change our pathetic prisons, people dont mind going to prison in this country as there is nothing to be scared of, great gyms, tv's playstations great are prisons are.. that needs to stop take a leaf and out thailand and thats how our prisons should be you should be very scared to go to prison. gorget human rights as soon as someone commits such a violent or disgusting crime there human rights should be forgot about, simple as that. and forget building more prisons just bring back capital punishment and kill and the cold blooded killers and peodophiles as these people are no good in society. if you know 100% that they have done the crime then hang them, and all these little thugs who do petty crimes flog them with bamboo sticks like they do abroad. id go to the market square on a sunday and watch that with pleasure and im sure it would deter younger kids. come on england we are far too soft on our unruley kids and criminals. and lets forget about age as well if they are old enough to do the crime then they are old enough
to do the time and that means treat them like an abult if they think they want to play with the big boys. its time to get tough.....
Our streets are lost and will never be ours again till the government faces up to the fact that the human rights law only gives comfort to those who are criminals
There is a simple answer to all of this knife/gun culture one that may seem harsh the government may be a bit hesitant about & that is the British army , think about it the army patrolling the worst affected city's there is too much of this violence all too often I pick up the paper on many occasions & see this violence & I'm based overseas what are we actually fighting for a country that is crumbling many of a time we are not doing allot in day to day life I think these individuals would soon sort themselves out something needs to be done & now before this becomes too big of a problem.
Right everybody wants the knife crime to stop well the goverment are to blame. i have spokemn to alot of young kids in my area (north london edmonton)and they all wish to work and not to be on the streets but always get refuse jobs now this country is all about money and nice things. if you cant get a job and you want nice things you have to find a way of getting it, which leads me onto drugs. selling drugs you can never be refused but with this there is no such thing as geeting sacked but to get killed if you do the wrong thing the goverment need to consatrate on giving these young kids jobs which they are willing to do belive it or not. this way this young kids can make money meet new people from different postal codes which is the one of main reason for knife crime.
AN EYE FOR AN EYE
its time for the people,of this country,an nation,to unite and make this country great,again.STAMP OUT WISHY WASHY POLITICS,HURT THE THUGS,ARREST AND DETAIN THEM FOR 10YEARS,MEANING TEN YEARS,LIFE FOR A LIFE,NO EXCUSES,RAPISTS MURDERERS,KID OFFENDERS,KNIFE CRIME,OLD PEOPLE,OFFENDERS,DANGEROUS CAR OFFENDING,CLASS (A) DEALING.............,ASSAULT ON POLICE....WELCOME TO BOOT CAMP.....RISE AT LIGHT..DOWN AT DUSK....APPEALS FOR HANGING...SOUNDS TOUGH????YOU BET,THESE LOW LIFES WILL CHANGE WHEN THEY MEET,THEIR FREINDS 3 TIMES A YEAR,AND SPEND THEIR TIME PRAYING FOR THEIR FREEDOM,WORD TRAVELS FAST....BUILD THE WALLS HIGH,AND TAKE THE SCUM OUT OF OUR SOCIETY,GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE,LETS HAVE PEOPLES LAW,YOU BREAK,OUR LAW YOUR SENTENCED BY YOUR,COUNTRYS,LAWS??VOTE FOR PEOPLES PARTY
Two police officers beaten up in London by up to 30 youths is the final nail in the coffin surely. Police officers should always be at an advantage on the streets and yet, your regular police constable does not carry a gun???
This attack on the two London officers would not have happened if they had firearms strapped to their sides, and with the countries level of violence spiralling out of control, the subject of cops carrying guns seems to be taboo?
MONEY should not be the reason that:
- Police officers cannot have guns as standard.
- Police recruits are having to wait up to TWO YEARS before they can even begin training.
- Police officers across the country can often find themselves short of vehicles to patrol their beats, reducing their capabilities to get to jobs quickly and in numbers. Some forces cannot even afford to put their drivers through training.
Money should be thrown at things like this. The police should have every tool available to them to police our streets effectively. I have the highest admiration for every police force in the country as they put themselves on the line, daily, and make use of the insufficient budgets they are given.
Put this along side the farcical sentences now given to the ciminals that are caught and are we ever going to feel safe on our streets again???
i am 15 and have a little sister who is 19 months. before i knew that the world was a wierd place anyway but now im scared for her when she grows up that she might get stabbed or something. things should be changed quickly. atcually they should never have started like this. its just heartbreaking to think of al of those young poeple who lost thier knives the the gangster culture whether they were involved or not.
I think it is time the people of the uk take a look at the history of N Ireland, I left the province because of gun and knife crime, my brother in law was murdered, my husband attacked his brothers killer with a knife and received an 11 year jail sentance, the murderer did not die when my husband fought with him so he and his brothers came looking for my 17 yearold son, they cut his throat, carved his face and head with stanley knives. Thank God for the person that helped my son and he did not die, but myself and his brother and sister had to flee the province because they did not finish him off, they tried too, I will never forget that night until God calls me and i feel it everytime another person appears in the media, i have watched violence manifest it self in many guises in the provience over the last 35 years and now i watch it taking hold in england. northern Irelands terrorists started of in gangs and look what happened to us, please dont let it get hold here.
I struggled long and hard on my own these last 9 years to keep my sons on the straight and narrow, I have two well balanced sons now, so I know it can be done, I did not have help from anyone, but made my children stay within their boundaries.
I also think what a bad idea it is making the attackers face their victim, that is another badge of honour for them to wear. National service is a better idea and then when they have served in the warzones their out look might be a lot different.
I will do anything i can to stop these terrible, heartbreaking offences been commited as i know first hand what it is all about. A Knife does not belong to any religion or gang, dont put it into a members hands, just put it in a drawer.
Keep safe, this world can be a wonderful place, it took me a long time to think like that again.
I do NOT agree with taking people caught having performed knife crime to visit other victims, if a person is capable these actions it would probably be enjoyment for them.
Give them a good hammering and then lock them up somewhere for a LONG time, to give them the biggest fright of their lives. This they may be able to understand fact's that you cannot mend like in the video games played so much,is not reality.
Never mind building more prisons to mammby pammby the problem of this country. The excuses for PEOPLE that like to booze, shoot, fight, stab and make a general nuicence of themselves in our towns and cities, should NOT be locked up and enjoy the privilege of the luxuries they now receive in jail, but transported to a barren island, send them to iraq or put the on an old ship and leave them in the ocean,let them live and fend for themselves , where they can fight as much as they like, that way the rest of the decent law abiding citizens would not be afraid to walk the streets again. It would also help to stop our jails from being overcrowded, saving millions of pounds on building new prison
i am 14 years old and i keep saying that i am going to get stabbed next but i know that i ain't going to do and now they are going to do a petition now it's to late to do that thay should of done a long time ago as soon as the first time a stabbing was done there a bit late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am 18 years old and already planned my funeral, i get 3 phone calls a night of my mam and my brother to make sure im still alive, i have put alot of weight on since im getting lifts everywhere. My cousin got stabbed and her little girl seen it all and her dad found her 6year old call trying to stab herself with a butter knife then one night she found one sharper now she is gone, this is horrible and the world is messed up if i could have my say i would make sure that there would be change! i tried joining the army to get away from this crazy world but i didnt pass my medical so my life ends when i walk out the house and everyday i tell my mam, my brother and granddparents that i love them very much and i will see them one day if i dont return - we should have to live like that!!!
THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE FERAL YOUTHS IS TO STOP AND SEARCH,ALSO TOO MUCH MONEY IS GIVEN OUT IN BENEFITS & SOME NOT ALL OF THE PARENTS DO NOT HAVE TO WORK AS THEY ARE BETTER OFF LIVING OFF OF US TAXPAYERS WHO ARE VICTIMISED FOR WORKING.INSTEAD OF BUILDING MORE PRISONS BRING BACK SOME FORM OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER,WITH TODAYS TECHNOLOGY THIS WOULD RULE OUT MISTAKES.DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES,DO AWAY WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING THESE CRIMES AND THINK MORE ABOUT THE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES,THIS GOVERNMENT PROMISED TO SORT CRIME OUT ALL THEY HAVE MANAGED IS TO MAKE IT MUCH WORSE,ARE THEY IN THE SAME WORLD AS US ORDINARY PEOPLE?IF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS NOT BOUGHT BACK THEN THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD SET UP BOOT CAMPS AND MAKE THEM AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN THE SAME SHOULD BE DONE IN PRISONS,IF THEY WERE HARDER AND HAD NO GYMS,SNOOKER ETC THEN A LOT OF FIRST TIME OFFENDERS WOULD NOT WANT TO GO BACK,IF THIS SEEMS TO HARSH FOR SOME PEOPLE THEN PERHAPS WE SHOULD BRING BACK THE STOCKS AND PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THEM
I think the people who do these things to others is down right disgusting! How on earth do they think they can get away with such appalling behaviour, and who do they think they are?! I can't imagine the pain and suffering these families must go through when mindless yobs carry out these sick acts against their poor defenseless victims. I just hope that the government does do something effective enough, before this farce just gets too out of hand!
its just an image you try to portray so you can look tough everyday.you never smile laugh,or joke in case the other gang you provoke.the gangs on the seets need to dispers and get your lifes o gether before you get hurt.the young thats died in NOTTS what reasons because gang culture ROTTS.whos to say your gangs tougher than mine does it really matter at the end of the line.your only given one chance in LIFE so dont waste it with gun or a knife,enjoy your kidult years and strife to do good ,then we will all get regards the neighbourhood.
If all murderers were executed we could be sure of one thing for certain
"THEY WOULD NEVER DO IT AGAIN"
Human rights ? Thugs should have the same rights that they give their victims NONE!!!
Bring back the birch and hanging, make the punishment fit the crime.
Life should mean life. Then perhaps our streets will be safe once more.
I have lived in Singapore, Malaysia and Saudi Arabia during my working life and never did I feel threatened or insecure in any way, simply because of their harsh sentencing, the crime rate was very low.
Just take a look at Joe Arpaio
Maricopa County Sheriff, Arizona.
prisoners in his jail don't come back a second time. He dishes out very harsh punishment but keeps getting re-elected year after year.
Law abiding citizens shouldn't have a problem with any kind of punishment meted out, it is only the intended law breakers themselves that don't want to be hurt and the "do gooders" who try to justify their jobs defending these thugs.
Wake up Britain make our voices heard! We must not tolerate this behaviour any longer.
I thought it was illegal to carry weapons in the UK? What is going on? I am afraid we have got to stand up together and provide a better place for our children. Why should we put up with unacceptable behaviors that upset our neighborhoods. There is right and wrong with choice and consequence. Unfortunately the wrong side is prevailing without consequence and eroding our lives of decency,commonsense and consideration of others.
My son was stabbed 13 times and died 3 weeks later in hospital. He was 28 years old and the person who done it was 30. The jury found him not guilty of murder and there was no manslaughter charge put to him, so he now walks free! My son left a partner and 4 children. I feel the crown prosecution service let my son down. My son was unarmed and there was no signs that he had been in a fight, they had all been drinking and a fight broke out between the 30 year old and a 17 year old, my son intervened and received the stab wounds in his back, neck and hands where he tried to protect himself. Where is the justice for us? Our lives will never be the same again.
What is needed is a fitting punishment for the crimes these mindless thugs execute. They no longer worry about any figure of authority. Prisons and youth offender institutes are a waste of time. I agree with one of the other comments which is a boot camp type place. It would be cheaper or at least as cheap for them to be properly educated in how to live in a normal environment instead of being so selfish and to learn to respect for themselves and others. They should have nothing, and if they want to eat or smoke then they should earn it for themselves. Why are their human rights even considered? They gave them up when they decided to waste another human beings life for fun or respect.
Perhaps it might make them think that nothing comes easy especially for those of us who work and try and live a normal life. They should be made to pay back something to the community by working, dressed as clowns or something else just as humiliating just like the chain gang in America. I am so sick of hearing about their rights. Parents should be made to go to parenting classes otherwise face prison themselves. I know some families struggle because their children are running wild maybe their kids have got in with the wrong crowd and they need proper help but of course anything parents try and do is not supported by the government. Something is going terribly wrong.I worry everytime one of my children walk out of the door. Make them pay! Stop being so soft on offenders. More police are needed with more rights to do whatever is needed, if the offender gets hurt, tough!If the government doesn't do anything soon normal, decent people will take matters in to their own hands. The justice system is a joke it needs to wake up to what is going on in the real world.
what is happening to our country, it is so so sad, i have a 4 year old little boy and i am terrified for him to grow up in this hell at the moment country.what is wrong with the goverment? they soon put a stop to smokin in pubs and petty things like that, get your prioritys right, life should mean LIFE!! Personally i think hanging should be brought back but because of all the do gooders i know that this will never happen, if these discusting thugs want to go and kill people send them to national service and let them fight real men, i could garantee they would not last 5 minutes, this has to be sorted now it is such a scary life at the moment
There needs to be serious consequences for your actions, When i was younger i thought twice about what i was going to do because i knew that if my Dad found out i would be in a lot of trouble and more than likely get a smack when he found out, for lots of personal reasons i ended up screwing up my life and close members of my family and ended up in prison aboard for 2 and a half years, it was the most challenging, hardest, self discovering time in my life, with none of the luxuries that were at home, just the basics. That in it's self made me want to change - simply because i valued everything i had before that time. Prisons should not be how they are now in the UK, it's not seen as a hard time or challenging, people need to understand there are horrible consequences for horrible unacceptable actions. Something needs to be done about the parenting rights, not just the children’s rights, this country is getting so messed up it's sad and frustrating.